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    Help with state law question

    An elementary music teacher friend told me Iowa law prohibits music educators to give private lessons to their own students or students within their jurisdiction. Since I try and find the source for most everything (I am great at trivia but terrible at chit-chatting because of this) I immediately looked in the Iowa Code but couldn't find anything.

    Does anyone know about this or could help me find this section of law?


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Like private lessons outside of school?

    I haven't heard of that, but thinking back on it that appeared to be the case in my musical background. I'm having my wife ask one of her pals that's a HS music teacher and also teaches private lessons to see if he can shed some light on the topic.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    An elementary music teacher friend told me Iowa law prohibits music educators to give private lessons to their own students or students within their jurisdiction. Since I try and find the source for most everything (I am great at trivia but terrible at chit-chatting because of this) I immediately looked in the Iowa Code but couldn't find anything.

    Does anyone know about this or could help me find this section of law?
    I don't think it is. That would be like saying a teacher can't tutor a student or any student in their jurisdiction. There might be something about using schools for a meeting place without the money going through the district first (or not allowing every student to have a similar opportunity), but there are plenty of music educators that give lessons throughout the summers (which would be a private lesson).


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    Re: Help with state law question

    That's not true I don't think unless its new. Or district policy maybe.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    I want to know if "that's what we've been told" is actually a state law or just an old wive's tale.

    I understand not using school buildings for private lessons and I also understand not allowing private tutoring of your students. "Gee, little Orion/common name ending with "n" would sure benefit from some extra tutoring since he is struggling. My rate is $50/hour with a minimum of 10 hours/month. I'd hate for him to fail my class".


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    I want to know if "that's what we've been told" is actually a state law or just an old wive's tale.

    I understand not using school buildings for private lessons and I also understand not allowing private tutoring of your students. "Gee, little Orion/common name ending with "n" would sure benefit from some extra tutoring since he is struggling. My rate is $50/hour with a minimum of 10 hours/month. I'd hate for him to fail my class".
    That's why I think it might fall under a category of "if you're charging, it needs to be open for all" kind of thing, or has to go through some sort of organization/business.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Quote Originally Posted by mtowncyclone13 View Post
    I want to know if "that's what we've been told" is actually a state law or just an old wive's tale.

    I understand not using school buildings for private lessons and I also understand not allowing private tutoring of your students. "Gee, little Orion/common name ending with "n" would sure benefit from some extra tutoring since he is struggling. My rate is $50/hour with a minimum of 10 hours/month. I'd hate for him to fail my class".
    I suspect you are getting at the heart of the matter with this example. Public employers likely discourage their employees from moonlighting when it takes the form of performing regular job duties (teaching music lessons) for regular "customers" (their students).



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    Re: Help with state law question

    I took private lessons from my music teacher when I was in high school 6 years ago in Iowa. It was over the summer, and it was at a private school, if that makes any difference.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    The closest thing on the Board of Educational Examiners site I could find to this issue would be under Iowa code 282–26.3(272) Responsibilities. 6. The educator shall not use professional relationships with students for private advantage.



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    Re: Help with state law question

    Common first names that end in "N"

    Brandon
    Allen
    Evan
    Orion
    Kevin
    Nevin
    Devin



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    Re: Help with state law question

    Here's the response I got from someone who teaches both private lessons and in a classroom environment:

    I'm not 100% sure...but...I get permission from my superintendent to give summer lessons. There are teachers who tutor students for money during the school year/summer. I think our school board policy states that you'd have to get it approved by the superintendent.


    I know that it is a touchy subject in many communities. I think most teachers giving lessons during the summer are actually on a "summer contract" with the school district.



    Not sure if that answers the question or not...



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    Re: Help with state law question

    You've hit the first issue already. The fact that a teacher could assert some undue influence for personal gain. 25 years ago I know of a chorus instructor who routinely taught private lessons after school outside of the building. While he never threatened to fail someone that I know of it was very uncommon for non private students to get significant parts in musicals or solos etc. It is possible that they didn't because they weren't as good because they didn't take lessons. But it was always a point of contention. He also routinely wrote on student's quarterly or semester report cards "Troy's talent merits private study." It always looked fishy.


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    Re: Help with state law question

    Its a grey area of the law that has never really been fully addressed by the Iowa Board of Educational Examiners as far as I know, although it has been brought up in their meetings in the past. If you felt so inclined you should search the Iowa Administrative Code (not the Iowa Code) and search through BOEE minutes.

    Unless something has changed recently, it is handled at the local level on a district by district basis. In general the practice is frowned upon, but it does occur in certain localities.


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