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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    The problem with recruiting DT is that ISU tries to target speed at that position when we could just put in space eaters.

    Same concept has failed on the Oline for a long time. We target quick Olinemen for a spread attack when the midwest is full of big kids w/o speed. Getting to the second level as a blocker only works if someone makes it past the first level.


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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Interesting to hear his thoughts on this. ISU is a tough spot

    Sometimes I wonder what would happen if you got a Nick Saban to come coach at ISU. Say I had enough money to offer him a billion per year. Would you see an overnight improvement? Gradual improvement? Nothing?



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post
    Interesting to hear his thoughts on this. ISU is a tough spot

    Sometimes I wonder what would happen if you got a Nick Saban to come coach at ISU. Say I had enough money to offer him a billion per year. Would you see an overnight improvement? Gradual improvement? Nothing?
    Saban would not do that great at ISU. Those are just the facts. He'd probably have a couple seasons of 8 or 9 wins but settle in to the 5-7 wins a year mode once the shine wore off.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by mcblogerson View Post
    The problem with recruiting DT is that ISU tries to target speed at that position when we could just put in space eaters.

    Same concept has failed on the Oline for a long time. We target quick Olinemen for a spread attack when the midwest is full of big kids w/o speed. Getting to the second level as a blocker only works if someone makes it past the first level.
    This. It doesn't matter how athletic a guy is rushing the passer at DT if they can't hold up in the run game. If a team is running it down your throat, they don't need to pass. And then they can dictate to the D by going deep with play action.

    Last year they had a couple of pluggers at NT and two athletic flakes at DT. They got ran all over. They had to know that there was a good chance that Irving and Coe might not be back...because those two guys were idiots. So what do they do? Sign 4 JC DEs and hope to grow one of them into a DT. And zero HS DTs or NTs. Makes no sense. And what makes less sense is that UNI has had a better DL than ISU for the better part of the last decade. Someone needs to evaluate better. And then fill the numbers. If you can't get an athletic freak, at least sign someone who can hold the LOS.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mustangcy View Post
    ISU has every reason in the world to be innovative with it's recruiting and branding yet.....
    This. If you can't lean on tradition or doing things the old fashioned way, be innovative and exciting. No idea what the benefit is of being stuck in the mud.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    This. It doesn't matter how athletic a guy is rushing the passer at DT if they can't hold up in the run game. If a team is running it down your throat, they don't need to pass. And then they can dictate to the D by going deep with play action.

    Last year they had a couple of pluggers at NT and two athletic flakes at DT. They got ran all over. They had to know that there was a good chance that Irving and Coe might not be back...because those two guys were idiots. So what do they do? Sign 4 JC DEs and hope to grow one of them into a DT. And zero HS DTs or NTs. Makes no sense. And what makes less sense is that UNI has had a better DL than ISU for the better part of the last decade. Someone needs to evaluate better. And then fill the numbers. If you can't get an athletic freak, at least sign someone who can hold the LOS.
    They wouldn't over a year long Big 12 schedule. You may it in the first game of the year when everyone is fresh that they are effective but by about week 4 in the Big 12 they would be getting their faces kicked in.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post
    Interesting to hear his thoughts on this. ISU is a tough spot

    Sometimes I wonder what would happen if you got a Nick Saban to come coach at ISU. Say I had enough money to offer him a billion per year. Would you see an overnight improvement? Gradual improvement? Nothing?
    Saban comes with a cache that few other names would bring with him. He has the pedigree that would get him into a lot of doors that few other coaches have. Doesn't matter anyway because he ain't coming here.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by mcblogerson View Post
    The problem with recruiting DT is that ISU tries to target speed at that position when we could just put in space eaters.

    Same concept has failed on the Oline for a long time. We target quick Olinemen for a spread attack when the midwest is full of big kids w/o speed. Getting to the second level as a blocker only works if someone makes it past the first level.
    Not true.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Also CPR said those guys that can be effective right off the bat in the middle of a D-Line don't grow on trees and even if they did, it would be hard to get them to come to ISU. So that leaves us with 3 options: 1. Knuckleheads/ or people not academically gifted aka: Coe, Irving and Quenton Pompey 2. People that we develop: Jordan Carstens, Jake Mcdonough
    3. Undersized motor guys : Brent Curvey, Nick Leaders.



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    I am with CW in I wish some of the people on here would lay off the football program and last year. CPR made the necessary changes on the offensive side of the ball and brought in a potential homerun in Mangino. Terry Ayeni has already brought in what look to be a couple of quality running backs. Also the O line and skill players on the side of the ball look to have some talent. Can we at least play the 1st game before making some of these comments. Frankly IMO they are embarrassing to me because CPR/Jamie Pollard are working their tails off to try and make us a winner.

    I remember sitting in the stands at JTS in 2000 the whole year and we were 9-3, the attendance numbers were atrocious for a good football team, and thinking where are the people, they are missing out. I couldn't understand it. Now we are selling out/ expanding the stadium, have very nice facilities with passionate people in charge of the program and lot of people on here are trying to tear them down. This is after bowl games 3 out of the last 5 years at ISU. Granted they weren't the best showings or the nicest bowl games but its not like CPR is Jim Walden and ISU has sucked his entire tenure. 1 year went bad and CPR cleaned out the problems and people are already turning on him. Like in 2000 I don't understand it.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Frak View Post
    This. It doesn't matter how athletic a guy is rushing the passer at DT if they can't hold up in the run game. If a team is running it down your throat, they don't need to pass. And then they can dictate to the D by going deep with play action.

    Last year they had a couple of pluggers at NT and two athletic flakes at DT. They got ran all over. They had to know that there was a good chance that Irving and Coe might not be back...because those two guys were idiots. So what do they do? Sign 4 JC DEs and hope to grow one of them into a DT. And zero HS DTs or NTs. Makes no sense. And what makes less sense is that UNI has had a better DL than ISU for the better part of the last decade. Someone needs to evaluate better. And then fill the numbers. If you can't get an athletic freak, at least sign someone who can hold the LOS.
    What high school defensive tackle or nose tackle would you have suggested he sign instead?




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    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneVet View Post
    I am with CW in I wish some of the people on here would lay off the football program and last year. CPR made the necessary changes on the offensive side of the ball and brought in a potential homerun in Mangino. Terry Ayeni has already brought in what look to be a couple of quality running backs. Also the O line and skill players on the side of the ball look to have some talent. Can we at least play the 1st game before making some of these comments. Frankly IMO they are embarrassing to me because CPR/Jamie Pollard are working their tails off to try and make us a winner.

    I remember sitting in the stands at JTS in 2000 the whole year and we were 9-3, the attendance numbers were atrocious for a good football team, and thinking where are the people, they are missing out. I couldn't understand it. Now we are selling out/ expanding the stadium, have very nice facilities with passionate people in charge of the program and lot of people on here are trying to tear them down. This is after bowl games 3 out of the last 5 years at ISU. Granted they weren't the best showings or the nicest bowl games but its not like CPR is Jim Walden and ISU has sucked his entire tenure. 1 year went bad and CPR cleaned out the problems and people are already turning on him. Like in 2000 I don't understand it.
    1. He made a program killing hire at OC (Mess)
    2. He made a near program killing hire at OL coach (CK)
    3. He refuses to be innovative at a school that has to be in recruiting and branding (Smoke on the freaking water?/not on twitter in 2014?)
    4. Disaster season in year number 5 (shouldn't happen)
    5. Losing record overall
    6. KSU and Baylor both with much less tradition than even ISU winning the last two Big 12 championships (it CAN be done here and it's absurd to say otherwise)
    7. Picked to finish 9th this year
    8. Lose to UNI in year 5

    God, I'm sure I sound like a total *** but these are all facts here...and I could have kept going. Look, I love CPR in spite of my complaints but the fanbase can't put it's head in the sand as to the direction of the program since the night we beat OSU. I appreciate opptimisim but nobody should be surprised by the snark around here.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by mustangcy View Post
    1. He made a program killing hire at OC (Mess)
    2. He made a near program killing hire at OL coach (CK)
    3. He refuses to be innovative at a school that has to be in recruiting and branding (Smoke on the freaking water?/not on twitter in 2014?)
    4. Disaster season in year number 5 (shouldn't happen)
    5. Losing record overall
    6. KSU and Baylor both with much less tradition than even ISU winning the last two Big 12 championships (it CAN be done here and it's absurd to say otherwise)
    7. Picked to finish 9th this year
    8. Lose to UNI in year 5

    God, I'm sure I sound like a total *** but these are all facts here...and I could have kept going. Look, I love CPR in spite of my complaints but the fanbase can't put it's head in the sand as to the direction of the program since the night we beat OSU. I appreciate opptimisim but nobody should be surprised by the snark around here.
    1. Nobody else wanted the job, trust me on this one.
    2. Klenakis had the pedigree, didn't work out
    3.Whatever
    4. Rebuilding happens at every program, Iowa 2012, like it or not they have a better program than us and had a much easier schedule than we did last year that year.
    5. Best record in the 1st 5 years of any coach in ISU history
    6. Baylor and KSU have less tradition than us? Really might want to check the history books. KSU has been good with Snyder for a while now. And yes it can be done here I agree.
    7. Opinions of sports writers don't mean dick, when weren't we picked to finish near the bottom in the last 100 years
    8. no excuse for UNI last year.



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    [QUOTE=Aclone;4106143]What high school defensive tackle or nose tackle would you have suggested he sign instead?[/QUOTE

    In before "that's not my job to figure out."



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    Re: Rhoads goes in-depth on recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by mustangcy View Post
    1. He made a program killing hire at OC (Mess)
    2. He made a near program killing hire at OL coach (CK)
    3. He refuses to be innovative at a school that has to be in recruiting and branding (Smoke on the freaking water?/not on twitter in 2014?)
    4. Disaster season in year number 5 (shouldn't happen)
    5. Losing record overall
    6. KSU and Baylor both with much less tradition than even ISU winning the last two Big 12 championships (it CAN be done here and it's absurd to say otherwise)
    7. Picked to finish 9th this year
    8. Lose to UNI in year 5

    God, I'm sure I sound like a total *** but these are all facts here...and I could have kept going. Look, I love CPR in spite of my complaints but the fanbase can't put it's head in the sand as to the direction of the program since the night we beat OSU. I appreciate opptimisim but nobody should be surprised by the snark around here.
    #1 & 2--This is all bs. You have the luxury of hindsight to judge his mistakes. You, I and nobody else knew how Messingham, Kleinakis or any of the other coaching hires he made would work out at the time they were made.

    #3--who ******* cares? He's the head coach, he doesn't need to be on twitter. Most of his assistants who do the bulk of the recruiting are on twitter. This has got to be one of the dumbest complaints to make the rounds lately. Really, REALLY reaching with it.

    #4--that is your judgement, there is no written or unwritten rule about when a bad season should or shouldn't happen. See: Iowa in 2012. Florida last year. Texas in 2010. And so on and so on.

    #5--How long have you been an ISU football fan?

    #6--If you can't understand the difference between those 2 programs and ISU's circumstances, you should just start following one of them instead.

    #7--Like every other year the last 4 decades.

    #8--Your idol bill snyder lost to NDSU in year 400 or whatever century he is in now.

    Who is putting their head in the sand? Just because some of us choose to be optimistic and not dwell on one bad season doesn't mean we are ignoring what happened last year. It's just that some of us can take the season in context of the bigger picture and decide not to jump off the cliff because of it. If you can't weather a bad season every so often, you are following the wrong team.



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