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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by BoxsterCy View Post
    Malaysia is going to end up having about the same access to this crash site as they do to the one for MH370.
    If Russia finds the black box. They will say it was damaged beyond repair and that will be that


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    Quote Originally Posted by CloneIce View Post
    Well, the separatists are led by Ukraninan military defectors with help from Russia special forces.
    Close but I think it is more like "led by Russian special forces with help from Ukrainian military defectors."



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclones2015 View Post
    If Russia finds the black box. They will say it was damaged beyond repair and that will be that
    Putin will feed it to his fleet of black box eating sharks.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    So FAA tells American owned airlines avoid that air space, this is back in April of this year.
    U.S. owned airlines avoid.

    But you have the European owned airlines like Lufthansa and Air France still flying over, as was Malaysia Air.

    I often say American owned airlines service cannot compete with their international counterparts, but you know what, when it comes to some areas of safety they are willing to **** off some passengers to do the right thing. If that means a 2 hour longer flight to avoid a potential disaster so beit.

    Of course now everyone is avoiding that air space, I believe close the" barn door after the animals have left" applies here. Malaysia Airlines can kiss their existence good bye.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    I'll never understand McCain. Does the man ever actually think before he opens his mouth?



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by fsanford View Post
    So FAA tells American owned airlines avoid that air space, this is back in April of this year.
    U.S. owned airlines avoid.

    But you have the European owned airlines like Lufthansa and Air France still flying over, as was Malaysia Air.

    I often say American owned airlines service cannot compete with their international counterparts, but you know what, when it comes to some areas of safety they are willing to **** off some passengers to do the right thing. If that means a 2 hour longer flight to avoid a potential disaster so beit.

    Of course now everyone is avoiding that air space, I believe close the" barn door after the animals have left" applies here. Malaysia Airlines can kiss their existence good bye.

    Yeah I would think this would be the end of that airline.


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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Some of the pictures showing up on Twitter are disgustingly graphic...
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    Lol....wish I could say I was psychic, but it doesn't take that with those clowns.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by cowgirl836 View Post
    Yeah I would think this would be the end of that airline.
    I hope it is the end for them,, I also think Air France. Lufthansa should also get sued for putting passengers at risk.
    They were just the lucky ones. Hopefully they get called up before their local governments and get asked WTF?

    I know when I fly I accept these 3 things, Weather, Mechanical and Pilot Error as risks to my life because often these things cannot be always anticipated no matter what procedures are in place. But you hope good common sense, decisions are made in dealing with each.


    But this is a risk everyone was aware of that could have been avoided by simply using a different flight plan, they are either too greedy or too stupid to ignore it. Not sure which.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by fsanford View Post
    So FAA tells American owned airlines avoid that air space, this is back in April of this year.
    U.S. owned airlines avoid.

    But you have the European owned airlines like Lufthansa and Air France still flying over, as was Malaysia Air.
    Did their respective governments tell them to avoid this air space?


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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Did their respective governments tell them to avoid this air space?
    They did... after this Malaysian Airlines flight was apparently shot down.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    So I don't know much about military hardware, but I feel like you need something pretty sophisticated to shoot a plane down from 5 or 6 miles in the air.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Motive for shooting plane down?



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    So I don't know much about military hardware, but I feel like you need something pretty sophisticated to shoot a plane down from 5 or 6 miles in the air.
    I don't know much about surface to air missile specs, but I thought I read they were at 10,000 feet?



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    So I don't know much about military hardware, but I feel like you need something pretty sophisticated to shoot a plane down from 5 or 6 miles in the air.
    The were discussing this on the news over my lunch. Apparently these Russian missiles are very sophisticated. The launch mechanism has 2 radar systems for tracking targets and the missile itself has an onboard radar for tracking it's target. The former US General they had on said they would have absolutely no trouble using these to take down a commercial airliner. In fact he said that had they mistakenly fired one of these missiles there is a self destruct mechanism in place and all they had to do was push the button and the missile would self destruct in flight.

    This General said without hesitation that we will find out in several days that this was in fact a missile strike by the Russians that took down this plane.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walden4Prez View Post
    I don't know much about surface to air missile specs, but I thought I read they were at 10,000 feet?
    The reports I saw were cruising at 31K.

    When watching the broadcast, the suspicion changes from the SA11 to the SA17 - which has a ceiling over 70000 feet. Probably not too hard a task for one of these missile batteries.



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