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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    And it could be either side hoping the rest of the world will blame the other.
    One would think that we have plenty of satellites monitoring that area of the planet and could identify the launch site pretty quickly.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    They were just discussing how this (assumed) SA-11 missile system is very independent. It can acquire, fire and radar track it's missile to the target. So it may very well be an itchy finger somewhere.

    There's a few reports trickling in through these reports that are kind of turning away from being shot down.
    One thing that is important, is that commercial flights have a distinct flight path. If you are flying over hostile territory and deviate from that path, you are putting the flight at risk. If you have someone with an itchy trigger finger, and they see a flight on a course that was not previously plotted, you can have a result like this.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by fsanford View Post
    One thing that is important, is that commercial flights have a distinct flight path. If you are flying over hostile territory and deviate from that path, you are putting the flight at risk. If you have someone with an itchy trigger finger, and they see a flight on a course that was not previously plotted, you can have a result like this.
    Yep - they reported the US military feels that a trained Russian military team would be highly unlikely to fire on a commercial flight. But they also think it's not likely that separatists would have access (or ability to use) this equipment - that was my take.

    But they are also reporting that the airline is saying they lost contact with the aircraft for a long part of the trip across of the Urkaine. So they may very well have tried to contact and identify before firing.

    Who knows.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    The thought of this being a coincidence is so irrational that there has to be something else here.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    Yep - they reported the US military feels that a trained Russian military team would be highly unlikely to fire on a commercial flight. But they also think it's not likely that separatists would have access (or ability to use) this equipment - that was my take.

    But they are also reporting that the airline is saying they lost contact with the aircraft for a long part of the trip across of the Urkaine. So they may very well have tried to contact and identify before firing.

    Who knows.
    Well at least with this one the black boxes and flight records should be retrieved.

    Such a sad situation, I used to fly internationally a lot and would fly over places that were having conflicts and I would be lying if I did not think this type of thing crossed my mind.

    Sometimes language barriers alone can cause problems.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by fsanford View Post
    Well at least with this one the black boxes and flight records should be retrieved.

    Such a sad situation, I used to fly internationally a lot and would fly over places that were having conflicts and I would be lying if I did not think this type of thing crossed my mind.

    Sometimes language barriers alone can cause problems.
    Yeah - we flew into Turkey last year right at the height of the border violence with Syria. Getting shot down never really crossed my mind. Other violence did - bombings, shellings, etc - but it's scary all the way around any more.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    Yeah - we flew into Turkey last year right at the height of the border violence with Syria. Getting shot down never really crossed my mind. Other violence did - bombings, shellings, etc - but it's scary all the way around any more.
    I'm no expert in such things, but I have a hard time believing you could mistake a 777 with a military plane.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCyJM View Post
    The thought of this being a coincidence is so irrational that there has to be something else here.
    One would think that if the plane was having problems radio contact would have certainly been made prior to the plane crashing. Obviously with this particular airline after the MH370 incident one can't be too sure what the heck happened but I would be leaning towards the possibility that this plane was in fact shot down. It's the freaking Russians... those commie bastards do this kind of thing for fun.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    One would think that we have plenty of satellites monitoring that area of the planet and could identify the launch site pretty quickly.
    Launch site - yes.

    Dude who hit the button - not so much.


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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Couldn't it have been a heat seeking buk missile, which have been used in that area recently on fighter jets, that just went glitchy and hit the wrong target? Maybe that's not possible.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    I'm no expert in such things, but I have a hard time believing you could mistake a 777 with a military plane.
    US mistook a Airbus A300 for an F-14 back in '88. All about how well trained and how itchy the finger is.

    (and not sure how different radar blips look)



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    US mistook a Airbus A300 for an F-14 back in '88. All about how well trained and how itchy the finger is.

    (and not sure how different radar blips look)
    And I guess I see that second sentence as beyond the point. I don't think you can really lean on the excuse of "whoops, maybe I was a bit too aggressive in shooting that plane down without knowing what it was" as an excuse if other countries start wanting answers.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Sounds like Skynet to me.



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    US mistook a Airbus A300 for an F-14 back in '88. All about how well trained and how itchy the finger is.

    (and not sure how different radar blips look)
    Yeah, and some of the military cargo planes run pretty large (C-130 on the US side).



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    Re: Another Malaysia airlines crash?

    Reuters has a tweet showing the plane was somewhat off course.




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