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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    I actually think what he did was amazing. Have you ever tried to ride a bike on drugs? Not easy to do, let alone win a race.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Meh. He's done some terrible things and some good things. Take it all into account and think about how terrible it would be for people to judge you based solely on the worst thing you ever did. I know, easy for me to say because I wasn't one of the many people he screwed over.

    If anything he's just another cautionary tale of athletes and hero worship mentality. Put anyone on a pedestal and sooner or later they'll fall off.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by jbindm View Post
    If anything he's just another cautionary tale of athletes and hero worship mentality. Put anyone on a pedestal and sooner or later they'll fall off.
    Dear god please let Freddie balance on that pedestal forever.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Wither the French want to admit it or not cheating and drugging was and probably still is rampant in the sport.

    Glad he wants to get involved and help. I don't see many cons to him.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Cancer awareness is great and all to spread the word and help find a cure, but it's not like we weren't all aware of it before Lance as well. If he didn't help collect the money for research, another group would have. So I don't consider that such a pro for him.
    I don't believe Livestrong contributes to cancer research. All their money goes to awareness and support for those with the disease and their families. That has been one criticism of the organization -- donors think they are supporting cancer research.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    It's RAGBRAI, I'm sure if you polled everyone in it you'd find worse than lying and doping in the crowd. Certainly both... After each day.

    Plus.. its RAGBRAI..



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    It's not so much the cheating. It's the years of denying, lying, and smearing of anyone who accused him that I've got a problem with. He earned his penalty.
    Exactly. The smearing of people telling the truth is the biggest thing to me. He deliberately tried to disparage and destroy the reputations (and livelihoods) of people who investigated his cover-up. That is the biggest thing to me.

    Imagine if someone tried to defame you and destroy your reputation and put your job at risk because you were following leads and uncovering facts. Would you be ok that the person was doing that to you and you could potentially lose your job?



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Really wish Lance was the hero he was made out to be. I'd shake his hand out of respect for the hard work he put in.


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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    I wonder if he could hook me up with some EPO for RAGBRAI. I need something to counter all the beer.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    But what if he wins???



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by BringBackJohnny View Post
    I am ok with the guy. Other people have cheated in sports and lied about things and didn't get it this bad. The guy tried to do some good things with his fame. All in all I would say his impact on the world has had more positive then negative effect for the masses.
    This is kind of how I feel about it. Yes, the guy cheated and lied about it. What about ARob or all the other guys that have and probably still are doping? Didn't they deny that they were on drugs? Didn't they try to discredit their accusers?

    Lance at least was trying to do some good for the rest of the world with Livestrong. Maybe it isn't run to everyone's standards, but I bet it is better than 1/2 the other charitable organizations out there.

    I am not a huge fan of Lance because of the way he acted in and out of the sport, but if you can be arrogant and be in sports.........



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by LutherBlue View Post
    I don't believe Livestrong contributes to cancer research. All their money goes to awareness and support for those with the disease and their families. That has been one criticism of the organization -- donors think they are supporting cancer research.
    Bingo... Livestrong simply exists to take money and spread awareness of cancer. Its been documented that Livestrong contributed pretty much nothing to actual cancer research. Livestrong did line the pockets of big time agencies though so that's pretty great.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    This is kind of how I feel about it. Yes, the guy cheated and lied about it. What about ARob or all the other guys that have and probably still are doping? Didn't they deny that they were on drugs? Didn't they try to discredit their accusers?

    Lance at least was trying to do some good for the rest of the world with Livestrong. Maybe it isn't run to everyone's standards, but I bet it is better than 1/2 the other charitable organizations out there.

    I am not a huge fan of Lance because of the way he acted in and out of the sport, but if you can be arrogant and be in sports.........

    U mean Arod? Baseball guy got caught and is paying the price. Arob football guy has never been shown to be a doper.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    This is kind of how I feel about it. Yes, the guy cheated and lied about it. What about ARob or all the other guys that have and probably still are doping? Didn't they deny that they were on drugs? Didn't they try to discredit their accusers?

    Lance at least was trying to do some good for the rest of the world with Livestrong. Maybe it isn't run to everyone's standards, but I bet it is better than 1/2 the other charitable organizations out there.

    I am not a huge fan of Lance because of the way he acted in and out of the sport, but if you can be arrogant and be in sports.........
    I hate to be this guy, but I also think Lance used his situation to propel himself as all he cared about was Lance. Like another poster said, his type of cancer results in a .8% death rate. He saw symptoms, had a quick procedure done to cut one of nuts out, and is now living large off of it.



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    Re: Lance Armstrong to go on RAGBRAI again

    Maybe Manny Ramirez can ride on his team this year.



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