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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Sounds more and more like the deal is done and it's just a matter of waiting until Wiggins is eligible to be traded.

    http://www.si.com/nba/2014/08/04/ant...s-philadelphia



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    I don't get it from Cleveland's perspective.

    If Love agrees to sign an extension beforehand, so you've locked him in for the rest of his 20s with Lebron and Kyrie, okay, I guess I understand it. You wonder what "might have been" with Lebron and Wiggins in the long-term, and if they could have just signed Love as a free agent after next year, but I understand the move.

    However, for one-year rental, potentially? And GUTTING your roster's potential otherwise?

    Lebron could bail again in two years and leave Kyrie stuck alone after Love leaves for LA or GS, Lebron continues chasing rings, and all the young talent on this roster is now playing it up for MN or PHI.

    What a Cleveland move.


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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmapolis View Post
    I don't get it from Cleveland's perspective.

    If Love agrees to sign an extension beforehand, so you've locked him in for the rest of his 20s with Lebron and Kyrie, okay, I guess I understand it. You wonder what "might have been" with Lebron and Wiggins in the long-term, and if they could have just signed Love as a free agent after next year, but I understand the move.

    However, for one-year rental, potentially? And GUTTING your roster's potential otherwise?

    Lebron could bail again in two years and leave Kyrie stuck alone after Love leaves for LA or GS, Lebron continues chasing rings, and all the young talent on this roster is now playing it up for MN or PHI.

    What a Cleveland move.
    If you don't make this move, LeBron could leave because you wasted the end of his prime trying to develop a rookie who may never become anything more than a good defender with a streaky jump shot. LeBron and his team are calling the shots here. He found his blueprint in Miami, Miami's small/shooting lineups (Bosh/LeBron/Miller/Battier/Allen/Chalmers) without Wade on the floor put up insane offensive numbers against great defenses in the playoffs. Irving is a huge offensive upgrade over Chalmers, Love is a better 3 point shooter than Bosh and can fill the elite shooting big man role that only a few guys in the league can, he's brought Miller over and trying to get Allen back too. LeBron's a very smart guy, I think he realizes the Cavs aren't going to win with defense, but if they get Love they may just be able to outscore everyone.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    If you don't make this move, LeBron could leave because you wasted the end of his prime trying to develop a rookie who may never become anything more than a good defender with a streaky jump shot. LeBron and his team are calling the shots here. He found his blueprint in Miami, Miami's small/shooting lineups (Bosh/LeBron/Miller/Battier/Allen/Chalmers) without Wade on the floor put up insane offensive numbers against great defenses in the playoffs. Irving is a huge offensive upgrade over Chalmers, Love is a better 3 point shooter than Bosh and can fill the elite shooting big man role that only a few guys in the league can, he's brought Miller over and trying to get Allen back too. LeBron's a very smart guy, I think he realizes the Cavs aren't going to win with defense, but if they get Love they may just be able to outscore everyone.
    Right. By acquiring Kevin Love, the Cavs are announcing that they intend to win now. Lebron's letter was nice and all, but the part about being patient was pure lip service. He wants more rings, and the quickest way for Cleveland to compete is to bring in the best shooting big man in the NBA so they can run the offense that Lebron is most effective in.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    If you don't make this move, LeBron could leave because you wasted the end of his prime trying to develop a rookie who may never become anything more than a good defender with a streaky jump shot. LeBron and his team are calling the shots here. He found his blueprint in Miami, Miami's small/shooting lineups (Bosh/LeBron/Miller/Battier/Allen/Chalmers) without Wade on the floor put up insane offensive numbers against great defenses in the playoffs. Irving is a huge offensive upgrade over Chalmers, Love is a better 3 point shooter than Bosh and can fill the elite shooting big man role that only a few guys in the league can, he's brought Miller over and trying to get Allen back too. LeBron's a very smart guy, I think he realizes the Cavs aren't going to win with defense, but if they get Love they may just be able to outscore everyone.
    So the "no pressure on Cleveland to make a move" narrative may have been wrong?



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by ISU42 View Post
    So the "no pressure on Cleveland to make a move" narrative may have been wrong?
    I've always assumed they told LeBron they would trade for Love when he met with Dan Gilbert in Miami. The fact that LeBron hasn't even spoken Wiggins backs that up.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    I've always assumed they told LeBron they would trade for Love when he met with Dan Gilbert in Miami. The fact that LeBron hasn't even spoken Wiggins backs that up.
    It was more of a poke towards a couple of Cavs fans that thought all of the pressure was on Minnesota and Wiggins wouldn't be a part of the trade. Good times.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by ISU42 View Post
    It was more of a poke towards a couple of Cavs fans that thought all of the pressure was on Minnesota and Wiggins wouldn't be a part of the trade. Good times.
    Yeah, I don't know how anyone thought the Cavs would get Love with a package centered around Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters and mid first round picks. But apparently some people wanted to try to talk themselves into that.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    I still think Cleveland is going to have egg on its face if this one-year Dream Team falls apart if it can't gel or have the right mix of luck to win the first year, and if Love wants to go Lakers or Clippers all along, and Lebron follows after two years "back home" and a swing and a miss.

    They're giving up A LOT for a one-year rental if that's the actual deal. It's a lot--but, in some universe, reasonable--for an extended Love, but one-year, with no guarantees... yikes...


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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmapolis View Post
    I still think Cleveland is going to have egg on its face if this one-year Dream Team falls apart if it can't gel or have the right mix of luck to win the first year, and if Love wants to go Lakers or Clippers all along, and Lebron follows after two years "back home" and a swing and a miss.

    They're giving up A LOT for a one-year rental if that's the actual deal. It's a lot--but, in some universe, reasonable--for an extended Love, but one-year, with no guarantees... yikes...
    This is what I don't understand. Instill think the information coming out is all from Minnesota. If it's not then Cleveland is more stupid than I thought. Minnesota does not have any leverage. They won't get anything for him if he leaves next year and Love has said Clevelend is the only team he would consider signing an extension with. So no other teams are going to be trading for him now. Cleveland is bidding with themselves. Their front office is incompetent. Lebron and Irving have max deals and Love will want a max deal. How the heck are they going to afford to put anything resembling a team around them? And if they get Love and he walks. Then what?



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Lebron isn't leaving. He is positioning himself to make more money.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    James is staying in CLE - his rep is good as it is going to get. If he left again he would be the Arod of basketball (everyone would boo him).

    Love and James just want to have the option of being FA's next year with the new TV deal and the new cap number.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Wojo reporting now that the details have been worked out it'll be Wiggins/Bennett and a 2015 1st for Love which is what most expected.
    The new news is and maybe most important for the Cav's Love has agreed to sign a long term extension (5/120) after this year.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...054657392.html



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    It has been talked about a lot that the Twolves will most likely try to pick up Thad Young from the Sixers. I am assuming the 1st rounder will be used for that.



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    Re: Kevin Love Trade Scenario (Poll)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmapolis View Post
    I don't get it from Cleveland's perspective.

    If Love agrees to sign an extension beforehand, so you've locked him in for the rest of his 20s with Lebron and Kyrie, okay, I guess I understand it. You wonder what "might have been" with Lebron and Wiggins in the long-term, and if they could have just signed Love as a free agent after next year, but I understand the move.

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    Lebron could bail again in two years and leave Kyrie stuck alone after Love leaves for LA or GS, Lebron continues chasing rings, and all the young talent on this roster is now playing it up for MN or PHI.

    What a Cleveland move.
    Those teams have become farm systems for the NBA's marquee teams, that combined with the Lebron "ring chase" lottery every few years will make todays young talent tomorrows free agency darlings. Idk why Kevin Love doesn't get more criticism for being a ring chaser?



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