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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    What good? You gave an incredibly vague description of it being good for various departments/clubs/etc. Wonderful. So, some arbitrarily good, yet apparently un-describable benefits to some campus groups are worth the extra police on duty, the riots, the destruction, the bad PR, etc. And you still haven't answered what an Ames resident gets out of it? Wait, let me guess. Pies, right?

    Sorry, it's not enough. "Cool tradition" is not a reason to keep it around. Not after what the event has become.
    Are you seriously that naive to not know the financial benefit that VEISHEA plays to a lot of these campus groups? Some of these groups rely on VEISHEA as their main source of fundraising. I don't have the details on any of that, but I guess I figured that was pretty common knowledge. I wont argue that the benefits have to be weighed against the impacts; my point is that I don't think ISU/Ames has done a good job at trying to mitigate the impacts. They may think they have, but most everyone knew the "changes" that have been made in the past were going to do nothing to curb the negative effects.

    You have to learn that big events like this are going to involve drinking. You cant stop it, you can only contain it. If you want the "party" to stop, the only method is to cancel VEISHEA. If you want to still have the benefits of VESIHEA, and try to get a better control on the party, there are definitely alternatives that could be explored. This task force has chosen to get rid of the party while failing to touch on the negative effects this will have on many organizations, and that is sad. I'm not arguing that we have a problem here; that much is obvious and I think we can all agree. I'm just arguing that there are other alternatives that could be effective and have yet to be explored.

    And I'm not sure why we should be concerned as to what the citizens of Ames get out of this. We should be more concerned about what ISU students, faculty and alumni get out of it.



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    What good? You gave an incredibly vague description of it being good for various departments/clubs/etc. Wonderful. So, some arbitrarily good, yet apparently un-describable benefits to some campus groups are worth the extra police on duty, the riots, the destruction, the bad PR, etc. And you still haven't answered what an Ames resident gets out of it? Wait, let me guess. Pies, right?

    Sorry, it's not enough. "Cool tradition" is not a reason to keep it around. Not after what the event has become.
    Frankly, VESIHA was one of the few noteworthy national things about ISU that set it apart. The next best might have been Hilton magic and MBB. Correct me if I missed something else.


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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Let's get rid of football. All people do is show up and drink, i mean they can't even find their way back to the stadium after halftime in a timely matter. For god sakes, we have more people in the tailgate lot than in the stadium!



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Frankly, VESIHA was one of the few noteworthy national things about ISU that set it apart. The next best might have been Hilton magic and MBB. Correct me if I missed something else.
    Here, let me respond for Janny.

    but but but but it's only nationally known for it's out of control parties and riots.



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Here, let me respond for Janny.

    but but but but it's only nationally known for it's out of control parties and riots.
    The pro-VEISHEA group has been pointing out in this entire thread that VEISHEA isn't really all that well known or unique, lots of other schools do similar things and they're more successful. I'd say that response is appropriate here.


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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Angie View Post
    The pro-VEISHEA group has been pointing out in this entire thread that VEISHEA isn't really all that well known or unique, lots of other schools do similar things and they're more successful. I'd say that response is appropriate here.
    Agree'd with the bolded. Learn to host an event rather than give up because of incompetence.



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    Problem is that VEISHEA carried on for what? 60 years without incident. The last 20-30 have been marred with near annual issues. Maybe not full blown riots or multiple deaths. But there is always something. What do you think the police blotter looked like in the 40's, 50's or even 60's. They probably didn't even add up to what last year had.

    ISU and Ames have tried. They were trying when I was in school in the early 90's during two of the more major disturbances. They tried in the early '00s when they effectively cancelled it, or made it dry(ish). The task force report lays out the issues pretty clearly, and I thought well.

    People who don't want to accept the fact that the tone around VEISHEA has completely changed, simply have their head in the sand. It has become a culture of a drunkfest. Not much more. I did. And I'm far from alone on that.

    I'm not exactly pleased at the prospect that it may end. But the simple fact is that it's in the students' hands and the past generation or two has proven they're not up to the task

    What are these other traditions we're so concerned about losing? The parade? The week long sports tourneys? or the benders?
    Near annual? Ten years is near annual. ******.



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Are you seriously that naive to not know the financial benefit that VEISHEA plays to a lot of these campus groups? Some of these groups rely on VEISHEA as their main source of fundraising. I don't have the details on any of that, but I guess I figured that was pretty common knowledge. I wont argue that the benefits have to be weighed against the impacts; my point is that I don't think ISU/Ames has done a good job at trying to mitigate the impacts. They may think they have, but most everyone knew the "changes" that have been made in the past were going to do nothing to curb the negative effects.

    You have to learn that big events like this are going to involve drinking. You cant stop it, you can only contain it. If you want the "party" to stop, the only method is to cancel VEISHEA. If you want to still have the benefits of VESIHEA, and try to get a better control on the party, there are definitely alternatives that could be explored. This task force has chosen to get rid of the party while failing to touch on the negative effects this will have on many organizations, and that is sad. I'm not arguing that we have a problem here; that much is obvious and I think we can all agree. I'm just arguing that there are other alternatives that could be effective and have yet to be explored.

    And I'm not sure why we should be concerned as to what the citizens of Ames get out of this. We should be more concerned about what ISU students, faculty and alumni get out of it.
    That's the most accurate thing you've said in this whole thread. I could not agree more.

    As far as funding for random campus groups goes, boo-frickin-hoo. How do campus groups at universities that don't hold week long drunk-fests get their funding?

    And regarding your last line, if you're not concerned about VEISHEA's benefit to Ames residents, then you can certainly see why so many of them want the event to go away. We get very little out of it that can't be replaced with the Boone County Fair.


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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Here, let me respond for Janny.

    but but but but it's only nationally known for it's out of control parties and riots.
    Well? Having ISU alumni living around the country doesn't count when talking about whether VEISHEA's true mission is nationally known. I'd wager if you asked 50 people from every state if they knew what VEISHEA was, most of them would either say they'd never heard of it or heard about one of the riots.


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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Here, let me respond for Janny.

    but but but but it's only nationally known for it's out of control parties and riots.
    is that untrue? The only time VEISHEA gets anything more than local press, it's because of riots.


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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Angie View Post
    The pro-VEISHEA group has been pointing out in this entire thread that VEISHEA isn't really all that well known or unique, lots of other schools do similar things and they're more successful. I'd say that response is appropriate here.
    Exactly. I'm ashamed that this phony task force didn't even bother reporting that they talked with other universities that have large celebrations that have notoriety for being an excuse to drink. Hell I can name 5 off the top of my head: kstate, Wisconsin, Indiana, penn state, ohio, and Illinois for example.



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnsworth View Post
    Agree'd with the bolded. Learn to host an event rather than give up because of incompetence.
    Or, you know, take a few years off and get it right when you bring it back, which is almost certainly going to be what happens.

    They should figure out how to host an event, but given recent history, letting them figure it out on the fly isn't a good idea.


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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by tm3308 View Post
    Well? Having ISU alumni living around the country doesn't count when talking about whether VEISHEA's true mission is nationally known. I'd wager if you asked 50 people from every state if they knew what VEISHEA was, most of them would either say they'd never heard of it or heard about one of the riots.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    is that untrue? The only time VEISHEA gets anything more than local press, it's because of riots.
    yes, that's called news now a days. It gets reported on CNN and the likes, but who actually remembers it outside of the people associated with the university (aka us). A 15 second address during a newcast does not damage the rep of VEISHEA to those not tied to the university. How many news stories per day are you presented with, and how many of them do you actually remember?



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by tm3308 View Post
    Or, you know, take a few years off and get it right when you bring it back, which is almost certainly going to be what happens.

    They should figure out how to host an event, but given recent history, letting them figure it out on the fly isn't a good idea.
    100% agree. Like someone else posted, kill it now, bring it back on it's 100th anniversary, and take the time to explore solutions that might actually be effective.



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    Re: Task Force Recommendation for VEISHEA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    That's the most accurate thing you've said in this whole thread. I could not agree more.

    As far as funding for random campus groups goes, boo-frickin-hoo. How do campus groups at universities that don't hold week long drunk-fests get their funding?

    And regarding your last line, if you're not concerned about VEISHEA's benefit to Ames residents, then you can certainly see why so many of them want the event to go away. We get very little out of it that can't be replaced with the Boone County Fair.
    There are a lot of citizens in Ames who would just prefer the university went away. They just like to point out the handful of negative events associated with VEISHEA to help their vendetta against students. Most, like you, will refer to it as a "week long drunk fest" while completely ignoring the positives.

    In the end, you're getting your way. I wish I could take the easy way out of other things in life. However, usually the easy way out hurts others. It's pretty obvious by what you have stated that you could care less about any of that, so long as the "week long drunk fest" is stopped.



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