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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    The grey area is some student groups get to use the logo but some don't. Idk the specific details but the university should not be allowed to pick and choose which political issues they support. The pathetic thing is bc of the moral implications, all anyone is looking at is that its a group supporting marijuana. That somehow makes it ok for them to be discriminated against?
    They are supporting the LEGAL use of marijuana.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    If you saw this on fox news they completely took it out of context. I was watching and they mentioned nothing about the ISU logo, they just said that ISU was banning these people from wearing shirts with a marijuana leaf on it.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    The group is not advocating to do illegal drugs...they are pushing for a change of law. The first amendment is pretty clear, you can not make a law which specifically singles out a single establishment or prohibit the free exercise of speech. You cant deny the use of a logo simply based on the fact of what the group stands for.
    ISU is not a government entity that makes laws. This is as stupid as saying that someone who is talking on their phone during a movie at a movie theatre is having their free speech rights violated by being asked to leave for refusing to stop.

    they are free to do with their logo as they see fit. It is ISU's property not in the public domain.

    dumb.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    The group is not advocating to do illegal drugs...they are pushing for a change of law. The first amendment is pretty clear, you can not make a law which specifically singles out a single establishment or prohibit the free exercise of speech. You cant deny the use of a logo simply based on the fact of what the group stands for.
    Once again, denying use of a trademark is not impeding upon freedom of speech.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by lionnusmb View Post
    ISU is not a government entity that makes laws. This is as stupid as saying that someone who is talking on their phone during a movie at a movie theatre is having their free speech rights violated by being asked to leave for refusing to stop.

    they are free to do with their logo as they see fit. It is ISU's property not in the public domain.

    dumb.
    First of all, not allowing someone to talk on a phone is no where near an issue of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean you should be able to talk wherever you want whenever you want.

    Second, ISU is a public university, not private. They most defiantly are in the public domain.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by FarminCy View Post
    Once again, denying use of a trademark is not impeding upon freedom of speech.
    They are essentially saying, as a university, students advocating for one political issue aren't going to be supported, while others supporting less touchy issues are going to be receive support from the school. You can't deny that's discrimination. This group is no different than any other group advocating for a political cause. They aren't advocating anything illegal.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    What it will come down to is if they sold the shirt for profit or not. If they sold the shirt for profit it becomes a commercial use of the trademark and then it is not protected by the first amendment. If they didn't then it is more likely to be allowed. However, ISU could argue that they allowed the group to use the ISU name just not the trademarked image, in accordance with their trademark guidelines.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by FarminCy View Post
    Once again, denying use of a trademark is not impeding upon freedom of speech.
    A policy that specifically was made to dis-allow this particular group to use its logo is an issue of free speech. The policy was not there until this group came along, and it was wrote specifically respecting this group.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    A policy that specifically was made to dis-allow this particular group to use its logo is an issue of free speech. The policy was not there until this group came along, and it was wrote specifically respecting this group.
    Norml has been around a long time. FYI.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by heitclone View Post
    They are essentially saying, as a university, students advocating for one political issue aren't going to be supported, while others supporting less touchy issues are going to be receive support from the school. You can't deny that's discrimination. This group is no different than any other group advocating for a political cause. They aren't advocating anything illegal.

    Someone finally said the correct term. This could possibly be seen as discrimination. But ISU is not stopping their message or their ability to spread it.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    A policy that specifically was made to dis-allow this particular group to use its logo is an issue of free speech. The policy was not there until this group came along, and it was wrote specifically respecting this group.
    See above. Not free speech related at all.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneswereall View Post
    I just skimmed through the policy, and it had a lot of restrictions before the "drugs and drug paraphernalia" clause was added.

    The entire banned design list:



    And this clause is also in there, and I doubt it was a new one:
    ftw.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by FarminCy View Post
    Someone finally said the correct term. This could possibly be seen as discrimination. But ISU is not stopping their message or their ability to spread it.
    The discrimination of a particular advocacy or religious group's message is a freedom of speech issue.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    ftw.
    However, ISU allowed this groups use of their logo once, so there was no issue with it relating to ISU's policy at that point. Then, after political pressure once a picture of the shirt was published in the DM Register, they amended their policy specifically to stop this group's use of the logo. I would argue denying it use based off that policy is not even right as the group is in no way promoting the use of an illegal drug or drug paraphernailia. They are advocating for a change of law, and I dont see that as being illegal or unhealthful.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    First of all, not allowing someone to talk on a phone is no where near an issue of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean you should be able to talk wherever you want whenever you want.

    Second, ISU is a public university, not private. They most defiantly are in the public domain.
    But not their logos or insignias. This was my point. The usage of their logos, etc. are not part of the public domain. So denying use thereof is not a free speech issue, like what I was trying to state. So you were right, and proving my point.



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