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    Re: way to go ISU

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    Re: way to go ISU

    Iowa State is doing whats smart. Don't get associated with ethical issues.

    Iowa State doesn't have their logo on Free Condom Tuesday and Wednesday and Thursday, but they still allow the students to engage in it.


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    Re: way to go ISU

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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by CyFan61 View Post
    As a public university, ISU limiting political speech by preventing the use of their trademark by a (self-proclaimed) political issue advocacy group while allowing it for others is certainly murky waters here. Not as clear cut as most people seem to think.
    Where is their free speech being limited? They allow the group. Can the group not fulfill their advocacy without the use of an isu logo? Such a petty waste of time, can't wait to watch it get laughed out of court.

    there is zero first amendment violation.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    Isu is in their full right to revoke the use of their trademark. Norml fails to grasp the first amendment and trademarking rules.

    Can they not advocate and follow their mission without a freakin' shirt? What a joke.
    Denying use of a trademark because of what the group stands for is definitely questionable. Especially since ISU allowed it, and then later re-wrote a policy after receiving political pressure.

    I dont disagree with your line of thought, but the courts always air on the side of caution when it comes to free speech. I would imagine ISU will lose this battle.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    Where is their free speech being limited? They allow the group. Can the group not fulfill their advocacy without the use of an isu logo? Such a petty waste of time, can't wait to watch it get laughed out of court.

    there is zero first amendment violation.
    It not being limited. The issue is that ISU allows their trademark to be used by other advocacy groups, and has specifically singled out this group because of what it stands for. Thats most definitely a free speech issue.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    It not being limited. The issue is that ISU allows their trademark to be used by other advocacy groups, and has specifically singled out this group because of what it stands for. Thats most definitely a free speech issue.
    Again, how is the logo usage limiting their free speech? There isn't. Why is the logo so vital to fulfilling their advocacy? It's pathetic this is even an issue.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    Again, how is the logo usage limiting their free speech? There isn't. Why is the logo so vital to fulfilling their advocacy? It's pathetic this is even an issue.
    Its a policy that is specifically respecting a certain group, and you simply cant do that.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    It not being limited. The issue is that ISU allows their trademark to be used by other advocacy groups, and has specifically singled out this group because of what it stands for. Thats most definitely a free speech issue.

    Not allowing a group to use a trademarked logo is no where near a free speech issue.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    It not being limited. The issue is that ISU allows their trademark to be used by other advocacy groups, and has specifically singled out this group because of what it stands for. Thats most definitely a free speech issue.
    Should not matter when what the group is advocating is an illegal drug or anything else that is against the law.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Its a policy that is specifically respecting a certain group, and you simply cant do that.
    Yes you can. Should isu probably notified them the rules were changing, yes. But up you can revoke usage of trade marks for any reason, and they pulled it because isu'a trademark was advocating an illegal activity which broke the rules.

    You have failed to prove any first amendment violation. Keep trying.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by cbro31 View Post
    So what national news did they make? Link? CSB?
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...irts/11934949/



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by Me State View Post
    Should not matter when what the group is advocating is an illegal drug or anything else that is against the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    Yes you can. Should isu probably notified them the rules were changing, yes. But up you can revoke usage of trade marks for any reason, and they pulled it because isu'a trademark was advocating an illegal activity which broke the rules.

    You have failed to prove any first amendment violation. Keep trying.
    The group is not advocating to do illegal drugs...they are pushing for a change of law. The first amendment is pretty clear, you can not make a law which specifically singles out a single establishment or prohibit the free exercise of speech. You cant deny the use of a logo simply based on the fact of what the group stands for.



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    Again, how is the logo usage limiting their free speech? There isn't. Why is the logo so vital to fulfilling their advocacy? It's pathetic this is even an issue.
    The grey area is some student groups get to use the logo but some don't. Idk the specific details but the university should not be allowed to pick and choose which political issues they support. The pathetic thing is bc of the moral implications, all anyone is looking at is that its a group supporting marijuana. That somehow makes it ok for them to be discriminated against?



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    Re: way to go ISU

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Its a policy that is specifically respecting a certain group, and you simply cant do that.
    I just skimmed through the policy, and it had a lot of restrictions before the "drugs and drug paraphernalia" clause was added.

    The entire banned design list:

    No designs that use University marks that suggest promotion of the below listed items will be approved:
     dangerous, illegal or unhealthy products, actions or behaviors;
     firearms and weapons in a manner which is illegal, dangerous, harmful or
    destructive to humans;
     drugs and drug paraphernalia that are illegal or unhealthful;
     alcohol consumption in an illegal or unhealthful manner, or which is
    inconsistent with University policy and programs;
     gambling/gaming;
     sexual conduct, imagery, inferences or adult industry paraphernalia; or
     tobacco products or tobacco usage.
    And this clause is also in there, and I doubt it was a new one:

    The University’s name and Marks may not be used in a manner which falsely portrays the University’s mission, services, initiatives and positions. The
    University’s name and marks may not be used to imply support or endorsement of a
    particular position on matters of public concern, unless the University or one of its
    units has indeed adopted a position and authorized the use


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