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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by milrtym View Post
    Born and raised in Mtown. They have a history in a lot of sports (basketball, baseball, swimming, cross country, volleyball, and golf.) The problem that they are having is there is a huge shift in the demographics of the school. Although, the enrollment has not taken much of a hit, their extra curricular participation is way down, along with their test scores, etc.. The hope for them, is to be more competitive, raise the school spirit, increase participation and crap ton of studies show the extra curricular participation increase those test scores. They have had a revolving door of principals, lately, and this guy is really working hard on getting those test scores and grades up.

    Also, living in Waukee school district now. They will have a new hs with 7-8 years.
    Please explain



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    That's actually a good point. There's really no purpose they serve that I can think of. It's not as though you have to win your conference to go to state or anything like that.
    Scheduling



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneswereall View Post
    Really? According to last year's BEDS, Ames had 982 in grades 9-11 in the 12-13 school year. Unless they had about a 300 student increase, I'm not sure they got to 1500.

    http://www.ighsau.org/general/1314bedsNumbers.pdf

    EDIT: Not that it really matters, since Ames is way too large to drop to 3A.
    what about 12th grade


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneswereall View Post
    Really? According to last year's BEDS, Ames had 982 in grades 9-11 in the 12-13 school year. Unless they had about a 300 student increase, I'm not sure they got to 1500.

    http://www.ighsau.org/general/1314bedsNumbers.pdf

    EDIT: Not that it really matters, since Ames is way too large to drop to 3A.
    Ames has had about 1300 students in grades 9 - 12 for many years. Ames High may have dropped in the enrollment rankings since other schools are growing, but the school hasn't shrunk.


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddykane View Post
    what about 12th grade
    The BEDS document only counts students in 9th-11th, as the number of seniors is irrelevant...they won't be there during the next year anyway. If anything, the document should count 8th graders at designated feeder middle/JH schools for a more accurate count.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by IowaStateClones View Post
    Please explain
    Average household income decreasing - kids may have to work and help support family rather than participate in extracurricular activities, families may not be able to afford youth to participate in sports / get training / etc.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by besserheimerphat View Post
    Ames has had about 1300 students in grades 9 - 12 for many years. Ames High may have dropped in the enrollment rankings since other schools are growing, but the school hasn't shrunk.
    Well, BEDS begs to differ. 982 last year, 1028 the year before, and 932 this year.

    http://www.ighsau.org/general/1415BedsNumerical.pdf


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by cloneswereall View Post
    Well, BEDS begs to differ. 982 last year, 1028 the year before, and 932 this year.

    http://www.ighsau.org/general/1415BedsNumerical.pdf
    I think this is more accurate
    http://high-schools.com/report/ia/pu...k-in-iowa.html


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddykane View Post
    Right. Because the enrollment numbers reported to the state aren't reliable enough.

    Also, what year is that site using numbers from? It wasn't last year's enrollment since some schools I know the actual attendance of are off by at least 300 students according to that site.


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddykane View Post
    Why is high-schools.com more accurate than the iowa girls high school ahtletic union or the state of iowa?

    That high-schools.com has waukee at 726 and one Ankeny high school.


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    As someone who lives around a couple of 3A Districts in Decorah and Howard-Winneshiek (Cresco), the idea of those schools playing against the Ottumwas and Marshalltowns of the world seems a lot less fair than the Ottumwas and Marshalltowns of the world playing the DSM schools.
    I don't think you know the level of Marshalltown's suck. I think they had 4 sports all year with winning records, and they weren't above .500 by much. The high school is something like 43% hispanic and 99% of them only play soccer. The enrollment is 1600 but graduating classes are more 300-350.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    This is stupid.

    First off, the schedules won't change. Just because Ottumwa joins this conference, they will still play the small 2A and 3A schools, and they will still play the big schools as well.

    At the same time, Marshalltown is willing to leave the strongest conference in the state because they feel they don't have a strong enough voice in the CIML. That is like Iowa State leaving the Big 12 for the MAC because they feel they don't have enough say in the Big 12.
    If the CIML was giving Marshalltown money, then it would be the same.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiAIRBHG View Post
    The only sports Mtown cares about is soccer, and sometimes baseball. I think you could cut the football and basketball programs and the collective town would go, 'meh'.
    Basketball program has been really strong, top 5 in the state in state tournament appearances. They were tied #1 with Dubuque for most appearances when I was in middle school but I haven't kept up on that stat since, just figure they'd have to be top 5.

    Outside of the state runner up year in 2011, football has pretty much sucked for at least 2 decades.

    All the best athletes played soccer when I was in high school.

    Edit: I just looked it up, Mtown is 2nd in the state in state tournament appearances for basketball with 24, Dubuque Wahlert has 26, Davenport is 3rd with 23.

    http://www.iahsaa.org/basketball/2012_BASK_STAT.pdf


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by clone2011 View Post
    The BEDS document only counts students in 9th-11th, as the number of seniors is irrelevant...they won't be there during the next year anyway. If anything, the document should count 8th graders at designated feeder middle/JH schools for a more accurate count.
    Reposting this for clarity as people don't really seem to get it. BEDS numbers are only 9th-11th grade. This way your graduated seniors don't count against you when they are no longer at your school. An unusually large or small class of 12th graders could otherwise skew the numbers when their count is used for classification, which would be the year after they graduate. Using 8th grade numbers would be very difficult for some schools, especially larger districts that don't have neat, direct feeders into certain high schools. Also, freshmen rarely matter when classifying schools for athletic competition. So 9th-11th grade counts are the best option.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Valley's enrollment blows my mind. They average 713 students per class. That is pretty close to the enrollment of my entire 9-12 high school... and I went to a 4A school! Strong argument to be made for a Class 5A in Iowa boys sports now.



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