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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    Try Iowa Falls or Hampton to Algona. Awful bus rides. Eagle Grove/Clarion-Goldfield had it perfect in the old North Central Conference...worst trip was Clear Lake and it only takes an hour.
    As someone who graduated from a school in the NCC, there's a new one now? When did that happen?



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by JSmoove View Post
    As someone who graduated from a school in the NCC, there's a new one now? When did that happen?
    Bishop Garrigan and Eagle Grove are leaving for the North Iowa Conference I think starting this fall. North Iowa Conference next year is adding the Cornbowl Conference for an 18 team disaster. I think the NCC will just be 8 teams now but I could be wrong.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    This is stupid.

    First off, the schedules won't change. Just because Ottumwa joins this conference, they will still play the small 2A and 3A schools, and they will still play the big schools as well.

    At the same time, Marshalltown is willing to leave the strongest conference in the state because they feel they don't have a strong enough voice in the CIML. That is like Iowa State leaving the Big 12 for the MAC because they feel they don't have enough say in the Big 12.


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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    Bishop Garrigan and Eagle Grove are leaving for the North Iowa Conference I think starting this fall. North Iowa Conference next year is adding the Cornbowl Conference for an 18 team disaster. I think the NCC will just be 8 teams now but I could be wrong.
    Interesting. Wonder if the dwindling attendance at those schools as a lot to do with the move. I've heard rumblings from people still connect with athletics at my old high school that Bishop Garrigan has been hit hard with enrollment drops. Which is surprising since in the past they have always fielded teams that competed with the bigger schools in the conference (Clear Lake, Algona High, Webster City, Hampton Dumont).



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    Wow - alignment is hitting high school too!
    They're ahead of their time. They're breaking apart a super conference. One complaint was being in a conference within the conference in that article. Wonder when we'll see the ACC, SEC, and Big 10 go down that path.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by JSmoove View Post
    Interesting. Wonder if the dwindling attendance at those schools as a lot to do with the move. I've heard rumblings from people still connect with athletics at my old high school that Bishop Garrigan has been hit hard with enrollment drops. Which is surprising since in the past they have always fielded teams that competed with the bigger schools in the conference (Clear Lake, Algona High, Webster City, Hampton Dumont).
    BG Grad Enrollment hasn't really gone down much. The baseball team and golf teams have had success in the NCC but no other sport has really had any success so that's why the NIC move was looked at. I always saw it as an advantage for us playing against bigger schools during conference games and then against 1A schools in districts.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    Ottumwa and Marshalltown would fit quite nicely in the Little Hawkeye Conference which is somewhat of a high-level 3A conference:

    Pella
    Norwalk
    Dallas-Center Grimes
    Pella Christian
    Oskaloosa
    Newton
    Grinnell
    Ottumwa?
    Marashaltown?
    Indianola?

    From Indianola's perspective, I'd love to see that happen. It seems to me that as a town and as a school district, Indianola has a lot more in common with those towns and schools than it does with the metro area schools. Throw in Knoxville and Winterset as other possible additions.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    This is stupid.

    First off, the schedules won't change. Just because Ottumwa joins this conference, they will still play the small 2A and 3A schools, and they will still play the big schools as well.

    At the same time, Marshalltown is willing to leave the strongest conference in the state because they feel they don't have a strong enough voice in the CIML. That is like Iowa State leaving the Big 12 for the MAC because they feel they don't have enough say in the Big 12.
    The only sports Mtown cares about is soccer, and sometimes baseball. I think you could cut the football and basketball programs and the collective town would go, 'meh'.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddykane View Post
    they should also split Wakuee into two schools like they did to Ankeny
    Waukee's second high school is planned to open in 4 years.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    Ottumwa and Marshalltown would fit quite nicely in the Little Hawkeye Conference which is somewhat of a high-level 3A conference:

    Pella
    Norwalk
    Dallas-Center Grimes
    Pella Christian
    Oskaloosa
    Newton
    Grinnell
    Ottumwa?
    Marashaltown?
    Indianola?
    I remember when that conference had Waukee in it (originally as one of the smallest members, but, yeah, haha, things change). I remember when I was in high school Boone was in it, too, but, yeah, there's one where the conference headed up and Boone headed down. I know Boone used to be 4A back at some point (like in the 1970s) and used to compete with the DSM schools in football at that classification, but that changed a long time ago.

    I think you still want conferences for high schools simple on the grounds it makes scheduling a lot easier. Lot easier to make things work in a round-robin of pools of 8-12 than in some big grid of a couple hundred schools (or, at least, a couple dozen schools per classification).

    I kind of think it's funny how the "super-conference" in Iowa is already falling apart because of competitive imbalances, awkward distances for high school students (which have to use buses) and families to travel, and just generally divergent goals and philosophies (lot easier for the DSM area schools to feel a connection to each other than, say, 50% of the DSM schools with 50% of the Avenue of the Saints schools). Might be a little test case for how some of the larger NCAA conference might end up? Granted, I think the SEC/B10 are probably stable enough at 14, but much more than that and I can see some N/S E/W or top/bottom divides starting to develop down the line for just these same competitive and geographical reasons.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    This is stupid.

    First off, the schedules won't change. Just because Ottumwa joins this conference, they will still play the small 2A and 3A schools, and they will still play the big schools as well.

    At the same time, Marshalltown is willing to leave the strongest conference in the state because they feel they don't have a strong enough voice in the CIML. That is like Iowa State leaving the Big 12 for the MAC because they feel they don't have enough say in the Big 12.
    I agree with this a lot, but it happens,

    Racoon River. Why in the heck did Nevada and Saydel (both mid enrollment 3A teams) leave to go play in a 2A league? Bondurant replaces Nevada by litterly switching leagues. I wouldn't be shocked if the Racoon River picks up North Polk and Gilbert to join for 10. This will cause the HOIAC to regroup.

    DCG leaves the Racoon to play larger schools and ends up in the Hawkeye10 which makes no travel sense.
    I really think DCG and Norwalk will be in the CIML at some point.

    Waukee will get their new highschool, but I bet they keep one team.

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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiAIRBHG View Post
    The only sports Mtown cares about is soccer, and sometimes baseball. I think you could cut the football and basketball programs and the collective town would go, 'meh'.
    The town must have changed a bunch since I graduated (01), but football and basketball were always great draws. Football wasn't good but we were very competive in basketball



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    As someone who lives around a couple of 3A Districts in Decorah and Howard-Winneshiek (Cresco), the idea of those schools playing against the Ottumwas and Marshalltowns of the world seems a lot less fair than the Ottumwas and Marshalltowns of the world playing the DSM schools.
    Your Decorah team would kick Marshalltown *** 8 years out of 10. M'town struggles to get 45 on the varsity football roster.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiAIRBHG View Post
    The only sports Mtown cares about is soccer, and sometimes baseball. I think you could cut the football and basketball programs and the collective town would go, 'meh'.
    Uh, no. Marshalltown is a huge basketball town. Soccer is virtually irrelevant.



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    Re: Proposed CIML Split

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    Ottumwa and Marshalltown would fit quite nicely in the Little Hawkeye Conference which is somewhat of a high-level 3A conference:

    Pella
    Norwalk
    Dallas-Center Grimes
    Pella Christian
    Oskaloosa
    Newton
    Grinnell
    Ottumwa?
    Marashaltown?
    Indianola?
    I can see how one can forget that Knoxville is part of the Little Hawkeye but they are in there. And PC is a 2A school so that would be rough for them against those 4A schools.



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