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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

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    But thats his name...
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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

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    It was appealed to him. Without that, he was staying uninvolved.
    I have no problem with him punishing an athlete including Bubu if it was appealed to him. I think taking away extracurriculars is a good punishment as well. That said Leath wanted to make athletics decisions when that isn't what his job is.
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    Was he involved in any other extracurriculars outside of sports? Athletic eligibility falls under extracurriculars by definition.
    I don't know I guess. I would assume he is but I don't see how that is relevant as I think it was clearly meant for athletics.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

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    I have no problem with him punishing an athlete including Bubu if it was appealed to him. I think taking away extracurriculars is a good punishment as well. That said Leath wanted to make athletics decisions when that isn't what his job is.

    I don't know I guess. I would assume he is but I don't see how that is relevant as I think it was clearly meant for athletics.
    Fact is, he didn't go looking for this. It came to him, and he had to decide something.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Fact is, he didn't go looking for this. It came to him, and he had to decide something.
    Do you even get what I'm saying. Yes he had to decide on something but he specifically singled out athletics. Why can Bubu play intramurals and do other things?



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    Do you even get what I'm saying. Yes he had to decide on something but he specifically singled out athletics. Why can Bubu play intramurals and do other things?
    No idea, but it's not relevant. You're looking at this like Leath was persecuting an athletic program or something.
    Bubu was a basketball player. The most relevant approach was to look at eligibility there.

    This is a really bizarre twist to something that keeps getting stranger, but only from posters here.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    Do you even get what I'm saying. Yes he had to decide on something but he specifically singled out athletics. Why can Bubu play intramurals and do other things?
    I would guess because Bubu was an ambassador of the university on a national stage if he was still on the basketball team? Not very many people are going to see him play broomball and make a big deal out of it in the national press, but an alleged rapist playing Big 12 basketball is a pretty big story.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    I have no problem with him punishing an athlete including Bubu if it was appealed to him. I think taking away extracurriculars is a good punishment as well. That said Leath wanted to make athletics decisions when that isn't what his job is.

    I don't know I guess. I would assume he is but I don't see how that is relevant as I think it was clearly meant for athletics.
    Leath can make any athletic decision he wants to. Ultimately, he is in charged of everything at the University, and that includes athletics.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    See the problem is you can't treat athletes any better or worse than a normal student. You are treating Bubu differently than you would treat me.

    My point is even if you want to say that Bubu should be punished then he needs to receive the same punishment that I would. That would be extracurriculars in general not just athletics.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

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    Leath can make any athletic decision he wants to. Ultimately, he is in charged of everything at the University, and that includes athletics.
    Yeah, it has really turned into a doozy. Good enough to attend classes but not good enough to be on the team.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    See the problem is you can't treat athletes any better or worse than a normal student. You are treating Bubu differently than you would treat me.

    My point is even if you want to say that Bubu should be punished then he needs to receive the same punishment that I would. That would be extracurriculars in general not just athletics.
    That's a very idealistic view. Leath's job is to do what is best for the university overall, correct? Including national media. Yes, fairness is important, but nobody in the national media is going to care (no offense) if Joe Averagestudent is kicked off the Agronomy Club. Sports are pretty much the only reason why we know about individual college students on a national stage - so they are going to be the ones who get press when they do something noteworthy. It is avoiding a black eye to ISU to avoid the embarrassment of a Pierre Pierce situation.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    See the problem is you can't treat athletes any better or worse than a normal student. You are treating Bubu differently than you would treat me.

    My point is even if you want to say that Bubu should be punished then he needs to receive the same punishment that I would. That would be extracurriculars in general not just athletics.
    No, he doesn't. His situation is different than yours.
    If it helps, I will consider Bubu banned from all extracurriculars. If I see him around Beyer Hall, I will report that to the police and the President.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    See the problem is you can't treat athletes any better or worse than a normal student. You are treating Bubu differently than you would treat me.

    My point is even if you want to say that Bubu should be punished then he needs to receive the same punishment that I would. That would be extracurriculars in general not just athletics.
    You can most definitely treat a student athlete differently then a normal student. They represent the university in a completely different way then you do.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Yeah, it has really turned into a doozy. Good enough to attend classes but not good enough to be on the team.
    The recommendation passed down to Leath was to expel Bubu, but he chose not to as the kid was a semester and a half away from graduating, and expulsion would of hurt the kids future. Kicking him off the basketball team does not hurt his future.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by Angie View Post
    That's a very idealistic view. Leath's job is to do what is best for the university overall, correct? Including national media. Yes, fairness is important, but nobody in the national media is going to care (no offense) if Joe Averagestudent is kicked off the Agronomy Club. Sports are pretty much the only reason why we know about individual college students on a national stage - so they are going to be the ones who get press when they do something noteworthy. It is avoiding a black eye to ISU to avoid the embarrassment of a Pierre Pierce situation.
    Ok if it necessary to avoid the media outrage then you also have to take away all extracurriculars.

    I also still don't really see how the media is going to get mad that someone who the charges were dropped, had everything up to that point find in favor of him, and the accuser has been found to have lied is playing sports. Who knows though with the world we live on the media doesn't care about what's right only what sells.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by jkclone View Post
    Ok if it necessary to avoid the media outrage then you also have to take away all extracurriculars.

    I also still don't really see how the media is going to get mad that someone who the charges were dropped, had everything up to that point find in favor of him, and the accuser has been found to have lied is playing sports. Who knows though with the world we live on the media doesn't care about what's right only what sells.
    The media is going to look at it that there was enough bad there to get Bubu indicted in the first place, and enough that Leath took action. Let's say Bubu did absolutely zero to take advantage of that girl - it's still a big enough story that he double-teamed a drunk girl with a guy with a rap sheet after he had the whole "hometown hero" thing going for him. There is plenty there for the media to run with - and it had in Iowa. It was a matter of time before it got picked up on the national stage.

    I don't think the media cares about other extracurriculars.


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