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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    This person has no idea how the criminal or civil justice system works in this country. Someone actually paid him as a professional journalist at some point?



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFine View Post
    This person has no idea how the criminal or civil justice system works in this country. Someone actually paid him as a professional journalist at some point?
    Just curious as to what you are basing this on.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by CYKOFAN View Post
    Not quite the same as being published in the newspaper.
    He's not paid (at least not that I can see) by the Tribune. This is an opinion piece. Nothing more, nothing less. You guys can send in whatever you want as well.

    And furthermore, I don't really see him issuing much of an opinion on the matter other than a concern that future victims may not pursue justice because of possible civil action. A concern I have too.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFine View Post
    This person has no idea how the criminal or civil justice system works in this country. Someone actually paid him as a professional journalist at some point?
    Based on what? He seems to know what he is talking about from what I read.

    Quote Originally Posted by aauummm View Post
    I agree. He just made a journalism degree from ISU worth a lot less. Also if the alleged memo is going to end up in court, as he states, why does he need to release parts of it, obviously in defense of Leath, and then conclude with a "one-sentence opinion"?
    He didn't leak this to the Trib. Its an opinion piece.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Did anybody else think this was a thread about unsavory hawkeye fans?



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Based on what? He seems to know what he is talking about from what I read.



    He didn't leak this to the Trib. Its an opinion piece.
    I revised my wording to reflect his tactic of releasing portions of his alleged memo, which were an obvious defense of Leath, and then concluding his "opinion" with a one-sentence opinion on victims.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    I don't see that much wrong with this opinion piece, if the information comes out in courts than he will be validated if not then he will look like an idiot.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Just curious-can a retired ISU professor use an official Iowa State University email address?


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    He might be professor emeritus (they might get to keep their email)



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    This ^^^

    Additionally, I'm a little confused by his 7th paragraph. I thought that the matter went to President Leath because the administrative law judge went through all the documents & heard testimony, and ruled that there were not sufficient grounds to uphold misconduct charges. Leath "said he reviewed all of the exhibits, etc" from Judicial affairs, which had recommended expulsion.

    There's a contradiction there.
    Yes there are a lot of factual errors and omissions (both ways) about the status of the situation. The Office of Judicial Affairs that was prosecuting the case before the ALJ appears to have appealed to Leath so could have made that recommendation. But not mentioning the ALJ's ruling of this case that Leath apparently listened too and basing his decision on creates a misleading picture at best.

    Also interesting about him stating bubu was blackout drunk and high. So how could he legally consent? So if neither side consented shouldn't they both be kicked out? ( insert Jimlad)

    Also this contradicts Leath's actual ruling in which he said he concurred with most of the ALJ's findings just not some of his interpretations of the student code. This makes it sound like Leath felt he was guilty of forcible rape and physical assault so not sure how that is in anyway agreeing with the ALJ'so findings. Also odd that he felt fabricating evidence didn't hurt her credibility but him being drunk hurt his? How is that different than attacking a victim's credibility because they were drunk?

    I do agree that it is an ugly mess. Starting to think Bubu would have been better off moving on and just trying to clear his name the old fashioned way.


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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    I see no problem with this opinion piece. When this finally goes to civil trial, bubu may look a lot worse in the end.

    Shall be interesting. It's a shame he couldn't just let it die out and move onto CSU.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    I see no problem with this opinion piece. When this finally goes to civil trial, bubu may look a lot worse in the end.

    Shall be interesting. It's a shame he couldn't just let it die out and move onto CSU.

    Agreed. And I agree with the piece that this (through no real fault of Bubu's) could have the adverse affect of other victims seeking justice.

    I just hope justice is done - although it seems that for one of the two (maybe both?) it's not going to happen.

    In the end - I hope for his sake that Bubu is innocent in this. I would imagine he's been forewarned that he was not found innocent, but rather had the charges dropped. Hence he is still able to be prosecuted if something were to come out that the DA found damning - double jeopardy is not a protection here. Extremely unlikely I suppose. But he's not free and clear of the original charge

    legal scholars feel free to correct me on that.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Without Bubu's help, this thing becomes more and more twisted. I wonder if Leath, any members of the Board or Regents (RH in particular) or Mr. Richard Haws sources will testify in this case.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by 8bitnes View Post
    For a journalist and a professor to write such a letter based on sketchy, at best, "evidence" is troublesome. He received an unmarked envelope which contained what he describes "appears to be ISU President Steven Leath's examination of the Palo matter". Then, he goes on to spout out the contents and the Ames Tribune had the audacity to print it.

    Anyone could have sent that envelope. Anyone could have fabricated the contents within. It is not hard at all to create an authentic looking letter, e-mail, or website. Simply asked those fooled into submitting passwords online.

    http://www.printfriendly.com/print/?...cuser-surprise

    Further, Mr. Haws lives within a short jog (<1.5 miles) from the childhood home of the accuser. This whole thing smells.
    Yup, I'm sure it was fabricated. Someone is just clearly out to get poor Bubu.



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    Re: Dick Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

    Quote Originally Posted by aauummm View Post
    Just curious-can a retired ISU professor use an official Iowa State University email address? Isn't that the illegal use of State property?
    You can keep your email once you leave ISU for a fee. Not sure why anyone would, but you could do it when I graduated.


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