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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    It's not that we don't want them. It's no different than how many of our fans don't want to play UNI, or KU doesn't want to play Wichita State.

    Many people look at games like that as having no upside. If KU loses to WSU, what do they gain. WSU benefits form playing home/home against KU way more than KU does.

    Blue bloods probably don't want to play in Hilton because they know they will likely lose. We should try like hell to find some 2nd tier programs that are similar in name value to us though.
    There are 50+ good teams below the blue bloods that would be great teams to book series with. That's what I am saying. 60+ teams in the tourney. They won't all turn you down. It's critical to play 1-2 non-con games against teams that were in the tourney. Yes, you run the risk that those teams have fallen off and aren't as stiff a competition as you'd like but that's just the roll of the dice that's hard to predict. Predicting that South Carolina won't offer up much competition is an easy prediction.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash View Post
    another problem is the Hoiberg to NBA specualtion. If he leaves in 2 years who knows where ISU would be at? It would affect if a team wants a home and home with ISU as ISU at Hilton is still a tough place to play at. I'm pretty sure that would cross the mind of an opponents coaching staff when scheduling ISU.
    Wouldn't they consider themselves to have a better chance of beating ISU if Hoiberg leaves thereby making it a more favorable game? I think that's a bit of a stretch. I doubt that is crossing anyone's mind in determining if they want to play ISU or not.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    I think twocoach's comments are ones that we'd all agree with if he weren't a KU fan.
    We should believe we could beat the top-tier teams, because we can. It's a shame we're not getting 1 or 2 of those games lined up.
    I'd like it better, too, with a few more toughies. My basic point in response to twocoach, there's bound to be some lag time with what you could get, and what you'd like to schedule.

    Iowa State has more "leverage" now even compared to 2012-13 ... maybe the final open slots in 14-15 will be somebody like Oregon and Memphis. (Just tossing out a couple of names). If those were added to existing slate, I think that would be a challenging non-con at this point, especially putting it next to any ISU schedule in recent memory.

    Would that be on a level twocoach would say qualifies as "making hay" on recent success?


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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by IHavNoCyCash View Post
    I'm still thinking it's a mini tournament with 2 other teams than ISU and South Carolina, especially if ISU has another game it can add. Having this game in Brooklyn still doesn't make a ton of sense to me but oh well. Can ISU be in another competition with being in the CBE Classic in Kansas City next year?
    You can think that but you would be wrong. It is three games over three days with 6 teams. We are the Saturday game.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    I hope South Carolina isn't TCU bad next season. What do they have coming in?



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    I'd like it better, too, with a few more toughies. My basic point in response to twocoach, there's bound to be some lag time with what you could get, and what you'd like to schedule.

    Iowa State has more "leverage" now even compared to 2012-13 ... maybe the final open slots in 14-15 will be somebody like Oregon and Memphis. (Just tossing out a couple of names). If those were added to existing slate, I think that would be a challenging non-con at this point, especially putting it next to any ISU schedule in recent memory.

    Would that be on a level twocoach would say qualifies as "making hay" on recent success?
    Yep. That's how Gonzaga and Memphis got themselves to where they are today, teams that weren't traditional powers but who now get great recruits and are regularly ranked and making the tourney. They had to take on even more tough non-con games because they are in such weak conferences. ISU would be fine with just one or two a year since they will have double digit games against tourney teams in the Big 12.

    It's like the old adage "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have." You gotta schedule like you're a big time team for people to see you as a big time team. Those in the know already see that ISU is a great team that is building a great program that will be stable and successful consistently.

    When Joe Public is tuning in to games and the announcers are lauding it as a great non-con match between good tourney caliber teams and ISU is one of the teams playing, it goes a long way.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by CoKane View Post
    I hope South Carolina isn't TCU bad next season. What do they have coming in?
    No they aren't THAT bad. They were around RPI 140 or so last year. For reference, Texas Tech was in the 120s and TCU in the 220s. So somewhere in the ballpark of ISU opponents from last year Texas Tech and George Mason.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Serious question for twocoach. Why does KU refuse to play Wichita State? Nebraska plays Creighton, Oklahoma and OSU have played Tulsa, Iowa State plays UNI or Drake. Just trying to figure out why Kansas refuses a neutral site game against arguably the second best team in the state.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by rochclone View Post
    Serious question for twocoach. Why does KU refuse to play Wichita State? Nebraska plays Creighton, Oklahoma and OSU have played Tulsa, Iowa State plays UNI or Drake. Just trying to figure out why Kansas refuses a neutral site game against arguably the second best team in the state.
    Because Kansas likes to use their road games to go to big cities outside their area and recruit. KU plays @Temple and @Georgetown this year and will have return games with San Diego State and New Mexico soon.

    Why play @Wichita State? We already get all their good recruits. The two highest scorers in Wichita HS basketball history are both current Jayhawks in Ellis and Frankamp. Playing @Wichita State would be a wasted road trip.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Apparently you decided to ignore the part about a neutral site. Secondly are there alot of big recruits out of Albuquerque. Fairly certain WSU would take a neutral at Kansas City.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by twocoach View Post
    Because Kansas likes to use their road games to go to big cities outside their area and recruit. KU plays @Temple and @Georgetown this year and will have return games with San Diego State and New Mexico soon.

    Why play @Wichita State? We already get all their good recruits. The two highest scorers in Wichita HS basketball history are both current Jayhawks in Ellis and Frankamp. Playing @Wichita State would be a wasted road trip.
    He never said it had to be a road game.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Remember guys, twotroll is a genius who is always right. The guy is a stupid troll and a total idiot and clown.



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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by twocoach View Post
    But there isn't any difference in the "the elite teams will only play other elite teams". ISU is every bit the team that Texas is and Texas got a series with Michigan State booked. Teams don't need to be afraid to lose at Hilton because in this day and age a loss on the road against ISU counts for more than a win at home against a cream puff. SoS and resume are relied on more and more for tourney seedings. More teams seem to be willing to risk a loss on the road for the exposure and SoS bump. With ISU being a regular in the rankings these days, I'd bet they start to see teams taking them up on these offers soon.
    If you think that ISU has the same ability to pull MSU to a home and home, you are beyond handicapped. You would have to be the dumbest person on the internet. I'm not selling ISU Short. I think talent wise and coaching wise they are as good or better than Texas, but come on use your brain. There's a ******* reason the school got 25 mil for building their own longhorn network.

    Only a KU fan would be dumb enough to think its only about basketball skill and scheduling opportunities just pop up because your team is good. You don't think that ESPN/Fox has something to say in swaying teams, or that the Texas Athletic department doesn't employ other avenues to influence their schedule outside of their Basketball program. Scheduling for Texas is nothing like scheduling for ISU even during the ISU hot streaks. You can really be clueless sometimes.

    It isn't selling ISU short, when we know that Half the Big 10 has been pussing out now for years. Virginia bought out of their return trip and wanted nothing to do with coming to Hilton. Thad Said never again, Michigan said never again and they knew better, they didn't want to come in the first place. A large part of why we were able to get them into Hilton was Because of the Johnny Tribute. We've been trying for years with Minnesota, and Wisconsin has said no thanks.

    On top of that, you do realize that ISU still had the 21st toughest schedule out of 345 last year. They are looking for good home/home games, but Won't go 2 for one, like NC, Indiana and Illinois have demanded in the past. We've had to get creative to get Duke on the schedule playing in Chicago. They said No F'n way to playing in Hilton. In recent years we've played Duke, Michigan, Virginia, Ohio State, BYU, (one of the best home court advantages in the country) UNLV, Cal, Houston Minnesota and Creighton on top of playing Iowa and UNI every year. I think ISU has almost always scheduled appropriately. I think they will round out the schedule in an intelligent way again this year. Fred will decide whether we need a fully active roster to go after another solid game or not. if he decides to wait for the full roster and confernce play this year I'm good with his judgement.


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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Duke was never approached about coming to Hilton for that game. It was a game where the Big 10 (or 12) team they scheduled for United Center backed out, and we were the ones willing to go fill in.


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    Re: Iowa State vs South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by CoKane View Post
    He never said it had to be a road game.
    MVC teams don't like not getting a home and home. There is no way UNI would go for playing in Ames every year or every time the teams played.


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