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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Is dropping a ton of money on a brand new shiny sports car a good investment? Probably not, but it will probably get you a lot more tail and some street cred among your peers.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    Worst case scenario now is attendance around 40k, attendance won't go below what it was in say one of the poor Mac years with the growth of the Cyclone alumni base in central Iowa. Even if that happens the recruiting benefits and improved atmosphere for those who do attend the game are a huge plus. With the Big 12 stabilized and creating never before seen TV revenue for ISU it's dumb not to do it coming of record breaking years (not to mention the lead donation fans had been dreaming of for two decades).
    I think spending $60+ million on the new upgrades and then have the stadium be 1/3 empty consistently in the future would be a pretty big deal.




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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle22kjs View Post
    Few reasons Hawk Fans have a reason to be jealous/nervous of where ISU programs are going.


    1. Football Facilities are better than there's
    2. Paul Rhoads - Need I say more?
    3. SEZ - True BCS Stadium
    4. Increased Enrollment
    5. Tailgating Space
    6. As ISU fans we are better at managing our expectations (never to high/low)
    7. Fred Hoiberg
    8. Exciting Recruiting
    9. Big12>Big10
    Bolded the one that's not debatable and clearly at the forefront. At times their message boards should be title Hoiberg Nation or Hoiberg Report. Pretty much all recruiting and ncaa tournament hopes threads turn into Hoiberg jealousy threads.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    If ADs really looked at 10 years of data, Kinnick would not have expanded in 1983. Even though Fry had them heading places, they hadn't had a winning season prior to 1980 and nearly set a record for being ****-poor through that decade. What did they do in 1983? Enclosed the North endzone.

    Same with KSU renovating in 1993.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    That place is going to look real empty, when it's -5 degrees and we're 2-8


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    That place is going to look real empty, when it's -5 degrees and we're 2-8
    We'd have the best goddam tarps in the Big ******* 12!



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    I think spending $60+ million on the new upgrades and then have the stadium be 1/3 empty consistently in the future would be a pretty big deal.
    That would be a big deal but do you really think anything could happen now that would get us back to 80s and 90s #s? The enrollment, local demographics and change in college football parity from the 80s and early 90s alone would prevent it.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    Its kind of funny though that a Hawk fan started this thread, when I have to ask, is their stadium too big? Went 8-4 last year and the stadium did not have a single sell out, in fact had plenty of good seating available for the last game.
    Don't they typically 'sell out' by tickets actually sold? Like, two years ago when half the stadium was Nebraska fans, wasn't that a sell out?

    Or whenmost their amazing fanbase left during Senior Day when they were getting routed by a directional school a few years ago, it was probably technically a 'sell out'. But, their fanbase is just as bandwagon-filled as the rest.

    I do think that winning will have to happen to make the upgrades make sense...but it's not like the upgrade is to 80,000 capacity or something. The number is still reasonable and achievable...and winning makes it more so.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    If you were an investor, where would you put your money based only on the 10-year "trend-line?" Where demand has steadily increased (and scalpers have made a fortune on sold our games)? Or where demand has declined and no game has sold out recently and cheap tickets are available from scalpers for all games (with the only likely exception being the upcoming game with the other team)?



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    No NCAA tournament wins in a decade and giving away free pizza to people to get them to games. Seems like a really shaky investment.

    I missed the part where everyone in the SEZ gets free pizza…although I wouldn't complain if I got some free pizza.
    I don't know how to really gauge if this is good or bad, but many of my Tavern Hok fb friends (you know the type...never stepped foot in a classroom in Iowa City) (also, many UNI grads and UNI bball seems to be irrelevant again) were actually wearing Cyclone gear during the NCAA bball tourney. Hoiball is addictive and can even penetrate the thick skulls of Hoks I guess. I know come FB season I'll see their knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing posts as usual...calling for Captain Kirk's head in the first half of the game, then talking about no beer in Heaven....posting photos of themselves in their faded Tim Dwight jersey....you know the routine...as they go out of there way to call us Clowns creatively.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    That would be a big deal but do you really think anything could happen now that would get us back to 80s and 90s #s? The enrollment, local demographics and change in college football parity from the 80s and early 90s alone would prevent it.
    I have no idea, we're not exactly a football powerhouse, if a string of 2 to 4 win seasons comes down the pipe how will the fan base respond?



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    That would be a big deal but do you really think anything could happen now that would get us back to 80s and 90s #s? The enrollment, local demographics and change in college football parity from the 80s and early 90s alone would prevent it.
    Yeah, and I'm sure JP, if needed, could just sell more student tickets as they are a hot commodity.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    That would be a big deal but do you really think anything could happen now that would get us back to 80s and 90s #s? The enrollment, local demographics and change in college football parity from the 80s and early 90s alone would prevent it.
    Consistent losing would do it.


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    Why are you apologizing to Hawk fans? How in the hell does this impact Hawk fans or the Hawkeye football team?

    I honestly believe if the next two seasons tank, as I said in my post, Paul Rhoads will be fired. You can't have 3 horrible seasons in a row and keep your job. I think if this season sucks then the fan base will start to get worked up, and if it is followed by another horrible season then it will be time for him to go.
    In which we promote Mangino to HC. Problem solved.


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by madguy30 View Post
    I do think that winning will have to happen to make the upgrades make sense...but it's not like the upgrade is to 80,000 capacity or something. The number is still reasonable and achievable...and winning makes it more so.
    exactly

    We need to get an additional 4-6k people in the stadium to sell out, 2-3k also need to upgrade from a hill to a real seat. My #s could be off but ballpark. This is not some crazy task. If the old stadium sold out for Sept/Oct games, the new one likely will too. Nov is a different story but will always be for any cold weather school that's not a dynasty selling almost the entire stadium to season ticket holders.



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