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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

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    I'm a Cubs fan, but this made me laugh
    Not to hijack the thread, but it is seriously hard to be a Cubs fan right now.

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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    No one said it doesn't look nice. But if it's a 60 million dollar renovation and it ends up empty in the 2nd half of every season it might make ya wonder if it was money well spent, or if it was just Pollard capitalizing on the hype train while he could. I'm sure pictures will emerge of the brand new addition sitting empty if the Clones only have 1 or 2 wins towards the end of the season.

    "Whoa nice addition... why's it empty?"
    Would that be a Pollard issue or Rhoads issue? Ultimately I know it points back to Pollard hiring a coach that can get us back to winning consistently. But Pollard worked the palms of the big donors to make us an attractive BCS school if conference realignment finds us looking outside the XII again. This also improves all the things that I'm sure have been mentioned in this troll thread. Pollard's job description is to hire good coaches, give them everything he can in his budget to assist them in winning. I'd say he's doing his job very well. It's up to the coaches to do theirs.

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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    No one said it doesn't look nice. But if it's a 60 million dollar renovation and it ends up empty in the 2nd half of every season it might make ya wonder if it was money well spent, or if it was just Pollard capitalizing on the hype train while he could. I'm sure pictures will emerge of the brand new addition sitting empty if the Clones only have 1 or 2 wins towards the end of the season.

    "Whoa nice addition... why's it empty?"
    You're a hawk troll so who cares what you think? But the question is, why are you trying to debate something that is already happening?



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    No one said it doesn't look nice. But if it's a 60 million dollar renovation and it ends up empty in the 2nd half of every season it might make ya wonder if it was money well spent, or if it was just Pollard capitalizing on the hype train while he could. I'm sure pictures will emerge of the brand new addition sitting empty if the Clones only have 1 or 2 wins towards the end of the season.

    "Whoa nice addition... why's it empty?"
    I don't understand why you're assuming the stadium is going to be empty. We're adding like 5,000 seats, and I don't think it will be that hard to sell another 5,000 seats. And if you're questioning if people will show up, take a look back on this past season. Fans were still dedicated all season and gave the same support as if we were an undefeated team.

    You're coming off as a typical hok fan who thinks that only the hoks can have nice things, because they're the hoks and they were good back in the 80's and 90's.


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    No one said it doesn't look nice. But if it's a 60 million dollar renovation and it ends up empty in the 2nd half of every season it might make ya wonder if it was money well spent, or if it was just Pollard capitalizing on the hype train while he could. I'm sure pictures will emerge of the brand new addition sitting empty if the Clones only have 1 or 2 wins towards the end of the season.

    "Whoa nice addition... why's it empty?"
    So I'm guessing if you were the guy in charge and a major donor donates a significant amount of money earmarked for a specific major project, you would tell the donor "No, thanks. We might need the seats now, but 5 years from now our team may suck again killing attendance, so we're just going to wait another 30 years until we're sure we need the added capacity. While you're at it, I'm sure the University of Iowa could make better use of that donation."

    And this is exactly why you aren't running the ISU athletic department.


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan94 View Post
    Let me preface my post with, I didn't read your post. I don't feel I have to to reply.

    Why should we have to convince you of anything? Obviously you are a Hawkeye fan, so it's doubtful any of this money being spent was given or will be given by you as a donation to ISU. It's not like ISU is taking tax dollars and expanding their stadium, so in reality, no one has to explain anything to you. Donate some money to Iowa State athletics and then maybe I'd feel more inclined to offer you an explanation.

    Simply put though, because I feel like being a nice guy today. It's the next step for the AD. Facilities have improved every where and this has been a long term plan since the stadium was first built. It's time to put some finishing touches on it and make it look like a Big 12 stadium. It will also be a flagship welcoming sign for the University. Compared to what other schools are spending on their stadiums, it's worth every penny. Everyone talks about flashy alternate uniforms as a recruiting tool. I never have really agreed with that. Show a kid a top notch facility, including the stadium and it will attract recruits that were looking at other schools on our level. Weather or not you think you can actually fill all those seats right away doesn't matter. If you aren't building, you are falling behind in today's market of college sports. Football may not be the "Flagship" program we want it to be right now, but it's still the primary money generator.

    IMO, it's a pretty good plan to take what was roughly a $100/season/seat area and turn that into a $750/seat/season area as well as add other revenue generating resources with prime beverage and food sales.

    There is always reason to look at money being spent and think you would be better off putting it somewhere else. No one is going to agree 100%. I think the fanbase at ISU though should be pretty happy with this move. It's the next logical step for the program and a step that has been over due for quite some time. The best part is, it's being built to attract ISU fans and ISU recruits to campus, we aren't really worried what Hawk fans think, until they see it and are so impressed, they decide to become ISU fans now.

    I have to admit, whenever a Hawk fan asks about this, and I have been asked by a few. It always seems like a bit of jealousy is what is really at the heart of the matter. Because in the end, the answer they always want to hear is, "ISU doesn't deserve nice things."
    I like all your statements but the two I bolded are,IMO, dead-on and boil it down to the simplest form possible. It's time to make our stadium Big XII-worthy and Hawk fans will never like it because they don't want ISU to have nice things, no matter how it is paid for.

    I'll bet he doesn't donate to the U of I at all and probably didn't even go to school there.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Why does the U of I, keep investing money in its basketball program?


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    A) If you want to compete in the Big 12, it's important to have a REAL stadium. Yes; atmosphere absolutely affects fan support which in turn affects recruiting. A bowled SEZ is actually EXTREMELY OVERDUE. ISU will finally be catching up in the arms race.

    B) ******* off tavernhawks is wonderful.


    EVERY stadium is going to have empty seats in a one or two win season. BTW- Iowa State hasn't had a one win season since 1997. Iowa had one in 1999. Plenty of empty seats in Kinnick. ******* duh.




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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Congrats on the play in game this year! Best Hawkeye team in a decade. Time to add more seats in Carver.




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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    This is stupid. Really stupid.


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    JTS has ~43,000 seats. Our "capacity" of 55,000 assumes over 10,000 people are sitting on a grass hillside. The new south endzone will bring the stadium seating to ~56,000 with about 5,000 standing-room-only seats on the north hillsides. We are substituting grass hillside seats for real seats and club seats which are much more valuable. There will still be grass hillsides for families who want space for their kids to run around, not to mention UofI cheerleader pasturing.

    Convice me why UofI should spend $3.65 million per year for a coach who is 0.500 over the past three years.


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    No one said it doesn't look nice. But if it's a 60 million dollar renovation and it ends up empty in the 2nd half of every season it might make ya wonder if it was money well spent, or if it was just Pollard capitalizing on the hype train while he could. I'm sure pictures will emerge of the brand new addition sitting empty if the Clones only have 1 or 2 wins towards the end of the season.

    "Whoa nice addition... why's it empty?"


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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by jcisuclones View Post
    I don't understand why you're assuming the stadium is going to be empty. We're adding like 5,000 seats, and I don't think it will be that hard to sell another 5,000 seats. And if you're questioning if people will show up, take a look back on this past season. Fans were still dedicated all season and gave the same support as if we were an undefeated team.

    You're coming off as a typical hok fan who thinks that only the hoks can have nice things, because they're the hoks and they were good back in the 80's and 90's.
    I'm not assuming the stadium is going to be empty. If Rhoads can turn things around I think it will be quite full. I just have a feeling if this season goes down the crapper and the following season does as well it's going to be quite empty. You can talk all you want about "that's not the kind of fans we have", but ultimately that's crap. Winning fills the seats. Losing empties the seats. I said earlier in this thread that my Dad had to give away 4 of his 6 season tickets last year for free just to get people to attend the games. Now technically people are still in the seats, but he lost money because of how crappy the team was.

    That's the other side of it. Even if the team is losing consistently you can try to keep fans in the seats by making it more and more affordable. However, I still don't think you can argue that the stadium will be filled if the team continues losing. Sooner or later fans will say screw it. Right now most of you haven't reached that point. I would argue the majority of people posting on message boards are what I would consider die hard fans. I can understand a lot of you will go no matter what, but that's not the kind of fan who makes up the majority of every fan base.



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    Re: Convince me the SEZ is a Good Investment (Long & Numbery)

    Quote Originally Posted by Section110 View Post
    I'm not assuming the stadium is going to be empty. If Rhoads can turn things around I think it will be quite full. I just have a feeling if this season goes down the crapper and the following season does as well it's going to be quite empty. You can talk all you want about "that's not the kind of fans we have", but ultimately that's crap. Winning fills the seats. Losing empties the seats. I said earlier in this thread that my Dad had to give away 4 of his 6 season tickets last year for free just to get people to attend the games. Now technically people are still in the seats, but he lost money because of how crappy the team was.

    That's the other side of it. Even if the team is losing consistently you can try to keep fans in the seats by making it more and more affordable. However, I still don't think you can argue that the stadium will be filled if the team continues losing. Sooner or later fans will say screw it. Right now most of you haven't reached that point. I would argue the majority of people posting on message boards are what I would consider die hard fans. I can understand a lot of you will go no matter what, but that's not the kind of fan who makes up the majority of every fan base.
    So Pollard was supposed to assume that we are going to lose every game over the next two seasons and use this as reasoning to not bowl in the SEZ?



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