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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Awesome stuff CW. Can't wait for your "Follow the Buzzards" Monday musing.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by mustangcy View Post
    Comparing ISU to Baylor and KSU is just wrong. KSU has had 15 years of elite success. BCS (or that level) bowl games, top 10 rankings, you name...KSU has been a solid program since the late 90's. As much as we all want to compare ISU to KSU it is about like comparing ISU to Iowa. Just not a good comparison. ISU to Baylor? Yeah, if you think Baylor doesn't have significant recruiting advantages to ISU just because they are "Baylor" you'd best get a clue. Also, who does Baylor play in the the non conference? A team like Iowa? Nope.

    Truth is that the dream of CPR taking ISU out of the gutter is gone. ISU is just going to be a 6 win or less (sometimes much less) team from here until they throw dirt on me, and I'm 36. I'll be season ticket holder cheering my *** off until that day....just best to face facts now.
    I think the point of comparing ISU to KSU is what that program looked like before those winning years you pointed out. They were arguable the single worst program in all of Div 1 football. Snyder should have had his head examined for taking that job. But he made it work. One big component of making it work was feeding on the fluffiest of cupcakes every year in the non-con so his players could taste success and so they entered conference play needing only 2 or 3 wins to go bowling. Making bowl games, even the marginal ones, can only help the profile of a historically abysmal program.


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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    We've been over .500 in conference twice in the last 35 years. 1989 with Walden, 2000 with McCarney.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCy View Post
    We've been over .500 in conference twice in the last 35 years. 1989 with Walden, 2000 with McCarney.
    Ouch, this stat is one that has escaped me. I guess strength of schedule wasn't a legit excuse in all of those years. HOPE is what we have more of than any other fan base, no one has more.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by isu4life1 View Post
    Awesome stuff CW. Can't wait for your "Follow the Buzzards" Monday musing.
    Yeah, we could have a new installment each Monday during the summer:

    Coyote Rising Monday.

    Turkey Vulture Nuggets.

    Monday Carp Tidbits

    Hyena Leftovers Monday.

    Crocodille Cravings Monday


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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by mustangcy View Post
    As much as we all want to compare ISU to KSU it is about like comparing ISU to Iowa. Just not a good comparison. .
    KSU has shown any program can turn it around, and that includes Iowa State.

    And, as Bob Cummings would say-- hire the right coaching staff and you can turn a laughing stock team with a losing record for 20 consecutive seasons into a winner.


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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Could have mentioned that during those Mac years of 12 teams and two divisions, I believe we were the only team that had to play Oklahoma and Texas in a single season rotation. Maybe Baylor too? Not defending the performance, but a little goes a long way and one more win in a few of those seasons could have helped level out the peaks and valleys.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    All I know is three wins will not cut it, even if two are in conference against the dregs. What a mess/miss.


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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by CTTB78 View Post
    KSU has shown any program can turn it around, and that includes Iowa State.

    And, as Bob Cummings would say-- hire the right coaching staff and you can turn a laughing stock team with a losing record for 20 consecutive seasons into a winner.
    I guess my question here would be whether or not the KSU turnaround is even possible today. Given the money and exposure around the sport now, I think the gap between the haves and the have nots is bigger now than it was when KSU was turning around. I think the level of competition top to bottom in the league is better, and the overall schedules we face year in and year out are more difficult. KSU made a habit of feasting on 4 non-con cupcakes every year. We only get 3, and one will always be Iowa. I'm not convinced that if you hit the reset button on KSU that a young Bill Snyder could walk into Manhattan starting today and recreate what he did.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Canceling Iowa and UNI and playing cupcakes is the only hope we have.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    KSU played four cream puffs to get that record and we need to drop the Iowa game and line up three cream puffs. NO ONE looks at anything but the win lose record. Even when we beat Iowa I do not think we gain anything. Time to line three cream puffs and save our players for the nine conference games.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    I would be happy to get back to 6-7 at this point.
    Totally feel the same. Making bowl games is good enough for me, and quite frankly, good enough for ISU.



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Quote Originally Posted by ashmore View Post
    Ouch, this stat is one that has escaped me. I guess strength of schedule wasn't a legit excuse in all of those years. HOPE is what we have more of than any other fan base, no one has more.
    I don't have a lot of hope for this season



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    Goal for football: make a bowl game

    Goal for basketball: win a national championship



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    Re: Monday Musings: "Adapt or perish"

    We ******* suck in football and always will.



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