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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by HGPuck View Post
    My dream scenario for the Vikings is to trade pick 8 (along with 40 and maybe a late rounder) to end up with a package like 18, 30, and 50. Then take a secondary guy or linebacker at 18, one of the top guards at 30, and either a quarterback or another defensive player at 50.
    That move should get any GM immediately canned. Especially this year.


    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Ponder is terrible. Spielman should be on the hot seat or fired for that pick. If Manziel or Bortels are on the board, you go with that for sure.



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonesince78 View Post
    Ponder is terrible. Spielman should be on the hot seat or fired for that pick. If Manziel or Bortels are on the board, you go with that for sure.
    i think they should draft teddy bridgewater, him and ap would be great with each other


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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonesince78 View Post
    Ponder is terrible. Spielman should be on the hot seat or fired for that pick. If Manziel or Bortels are on the board, you go with that for sure.
    He should be gone regardless of the Ponder fiasco.


    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    So trading for fair trade value to get more picks should get a GM fired on the spot? (on the standard value chart at least) Better let the Patriots know about this. Getting 3 guys instead of 2 that can likely significantly contribute next year is generally a good idea for a team with several holes. The problem for the Vikings is that Clowney and Mack will likely be off the board; Matthews, Watkins, Robinson, and Evans aren't great fits for need (a WR would be okay but not a great top 10 pick when you don't have a QB); both Manziel and Bortles have some question marks and likely won't be around at 8 anyway; so you are left stretching for someone like Barr, Gilbert, or Donald at 8 when you could get a reasonably similar quality prospect in an area of need in Dennard, Kouanjio, Mosley, Shazier, or Verrett in the late teens. I would take a combo like Dennard and Su'a-Filo with 18/30 plus moving doing 10 spots in the second round over just Barr, Gilber, or Donald at 8 any day of the week.
    Quote Originally Posted by Acylum View Post
    That move should get any GM immediately canned. Especially this year.


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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by HGPuck View Post
    So trading for fair trade value to get more picks should get a GM fired on the spot? (on the standard value chart at least) Better let the Patriots know about this. Getting 3 guys instead of 2 that can likely significantly contribute next year is generally a good idea for a team with several holes. The problem for the Vikings is that Clowney and Mack will likely be off the board; Matthews, Watkins, Robinson, and Evans aren't great fits for need (a WR would be okay but not a great top 10 pick when you don't have a QB); both Manziel and Bortles have some question marks and likely won't be around at 8 anyway; so you are left stretching for someone like Barr, Gilbert, or Donald at 8 when you could get a reasonably similar quality prospect in an area of need in Dennard, Kouanjio, Mosley, Shazier, or Verrett in the late teens. I would take a combo like Dennard and Su'a-Filo with 18/30 plus moving doing 10 spots in the second round over just Barr, Gilber, or Donald at 8 any day of the week.
    In the scenario you described, they aren't gaining any picks. They'd basically be dropping 10 spots in the 1st round to move up 10 spots in the 2nd round, and gaining a late 2nd round pick for giving up a later round slot. No way in hell I'd make that deal. Throw in the fact that Spielman totally sucks after the first round and it's a no-brainer.


    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    The Rams are in a great position with the 2nd and 13th picks. So many great players to pick from. Should be really interesting.

    I really like jake matthews, and Sammy Watkins



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Paul Allen was on KXNO last night, and he sounds fairly confident that if the Vikes can't trade out of the eight spot, they'll take the best player available and target a QB in the second or third round. He specifically mentioned Mettenberger. That sounds about right, except that I would guess that Zimmer will want a game manager type who won't make a ton of mistakes. I think McCarron might be their best bet. Good size, won't beat his team with bonehead mistakes, and makes quick reads.



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by awd4cy View Post
    Packers need a Safety like no other.
    Agreed. M.D Jennings was god awful last year. Thank god he's gone. I'd like to get Clinton Dix, Pryor, or Ward in the first round. C.J Mosley would be alright too, as long as they don't go and draft that tight end from UNC(who many seem to think we will take) I'll be fine.



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    The Rams are in a great position with the 2nd and 13th picks. So many great players to pick from. Should be really interesting.

    I really like jake matthews, and Sammy Watkins
    Most people seem confident they'll take Greg Robinson.

    If Kroenke cared at all about keeping the Rams in St. Louis, he'd take Manziel and sell some tickets.

    I'd love an impact safety for once as well.



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by jbindm View Post
    Paul Allen was on KXNO last night, and he sounds fairly confident that if the Vikes can't trade out of the eight spot, they'll take the best player available and target a QB in the second or third round. He specifically mentioned Mettenberger. That sounds about right, except that I would guess that Zimmer will want a game manager type who won't make a ton of mistakes. I think McCarron might be their best bet. Good size, won't beat his team with bonehead mistakes, and makes quick reads.
    I'm not a Vikings fan, but if I was, I would agree with taking the best player available in the 1st round, and then grabbing Jimmy Grappolo the QB in the 2nd round.

    As a Packer fan, I hope they don't do that because I think Grappolo is going to be good. I don't know what it is about him? He has a very quick release, decent size, good accuracy, decent enough mobility. I think his upside is as high as any other QB in this class.



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Ideally the Vikings trade back to 15 or so and take the best QB on their board. I have no idea who that is, but I am pretty sure waiting to draft QBs is a historically bad idea, although Kaepernick and Wilson have been recent exceptions to that rule.

    Then go pretty much straight defense and sprinkle in a late round back.

    If Mack is still there at 8 (he won't be) I'd be totally fine with taking him. Other than that I don't see a real great value there for them to pass up on an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick to move back 7 or 8 spots. And if you are at 15 you are still ahead of all the other teams who need a QB in the top of the 2nd round, and probably to far up for them to jump ahead of you.



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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Browns are gonna get Johnny Football. I don't know how I feel about that


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    Re: 2014 NFL Draft

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclones2015 View Post
    Browns are gonna get Johnny Football. I don't know how I feel about that
    Well, if you're a Browns fan, then I think I feel for you. Manziel could be a good QB, but I think the odds are surely against it. I love his competitiveness and will to win, but I think it could get him into trouble in the NFL. If he runs too much, I think he will get destroyed. He needs to become the next Russell Wilson type QB to succeed IMO.



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