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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    I wouldn't hold my breath on the 3-4, but if they have the speed for it so be it. You need an absolute manimal at the nose guard in the 3-4 to take on the double teams all game, and I'm not sure we have it. Maybe Taiese? I have been wanting them to run some 3-3 stack because we have linebackers with speed and Db's that can ball hawk. Gives you more blitz and more ways to disguise coverage too.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    We've run more of a 4-2-5 in the past but they call it a 4-3. Talking JB as the 3rd backer.

    In a 3-4 wouldn't it be more of a 3-3-5 with JB in there. If I recall correctly WVU plays a 3-3-5 (or at least did when they came in the Big 12). They were decent defensively in 2012 (3rd in Big 12 in total D). I don't care to look that much into it but I feel our size would be comparable to WVU in 2012.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLNST8 View Post
    Meyers
    Cousin
    Morrissey

    Knott
    Harris
    Miller
    Brackens


    This configuration doesn't look too bad on paper. As to whether or not it works...
    That's putting a awful lot of responsibility on Cousin's shoulders. DT in 3-4 is one of the toughest positions in football. Cousin is a big guy, but using him in a 3-4 would entail having a guy with very little experience responsible for the two A gaps. Also, the guys you typically see playing that position are 30 pounds heavier than Cousin. Plus, who backs Cousin up? Garcia isn't nearly big enough to hold his own as a 3-4 DT.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Yes WVU did and does still run the 3-3 stack. I don't know if it's the only thing they run but I saw them run it against us several times last year and the year before. We have run a 4-3 but sometimes stem it down into almost a bear formation sort like of the Chicago bears. Could be considered a 4-2-5 with Brackens basically being a big DB.

    I like the idea of Peters making it on the field and playing a ball hawk, high energy, playmaker role. You can easily make a monster back for him in a 3-3 stack or even in a modified 3-4. Still think we are over looking the biggest factor and that is we don't really have a nose guard that can do what needs to be done in a 3 man front.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    If they play 3-4, I'd think it would be in passing situations, or against primarily passing teams. We don't have the players for a traditional 3-4. It would be more like a 3-3-5, with Brackens as the hybrid LB/S.


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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by 04clone View Post
    That's putting a awful lot of responsibility on Cousin's shoulders. DT in 3-4 is one of the toughest positions in football. Cousin is a big guy, but using him in a 3-4 would entail having a guy with very little experience responsible for the two A gaps. Also, the guys you typically see playing that position are 30 pounds heavier than Cousin. Plus, who backs Cousin up? Garcia isn't nearly big enough to hold his own as a 3-4 DT.
    Yeah, Luth4Cy wanted to see a hypothetical. I have no idea. I just like the idea of less inexperienced DTs on the field. Lots of blitzing. Anything different considering the stars seem to be aligning against our interior D line.




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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneinWDSM View Post
    Hoping the light turns on for Quan West. A large TE would be a huge threat especially in the red zone.
    Yea this would b very helpful, at least he is afforded another year to acclimate to being a tight end, but some redzone opportunities would be nice



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by 04clone View Post
    That's putting a awful lot of responsibility on Cousin's shoulders. DT in 3-4 is one of the toughest positions in football. Cousin is a big guy, but using him in a 3-4 would entail having a guy with very little experience responsible for the two A gaps. Also, the guys you typically see playing that position are 30 pounds heavier than Cousin. Plus, who backs Cousin up? Garcia isn't nearly big enough to hold his own as a 3-4 DT.
    I don't think they would make Cousin cover two gaps. Teams like the 49ers and Texans play with a smaller NG and only ask the NG to cover one gap. I think the bigger problem would be moving DEs inside, although both Meyers are bigger than ISU's typically DEs. It sounds like Harris can be a beast against the run, but may take awhile to be ready in coverage.

    With the pass-happy B12 a 3-4 would be nice because you could drop 8 guys into coverage easier. Also, if guys like Harris or Seeley aren't ready to handle pass coverage yet in the fall, it would give them an opportunity to fill a role they make be better suited for at this point in their careers.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    I'm kind of curious how this would work. I assume Meyers and Morrissey would stay at DE in this scheme rather than one of them playing Rush LB. Brackens sounds like he can pass rush, but I can't imagine him being that effective having to go against OL and TE every play as a Rush LB.

    Between Meeks, Harris, Seeley and Miller, they should be able to cover the MLB positions and play pretty well. If they bring in Meeks for a DE or DT they really wouldn't lose much size on the defensive side of the ball.
    Probably would have Madison swap for Brackens and add a true LBer. Also, there is nothing Brackens does better than Blitz.


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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Probably would have Madison swap for Brackens and add a true LBer. Also, there is nothing Brackens does better than Blitz.
    I think he is pretty solid in pass coverage.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Ya, agree with both. Brackens is best used in open field for his speed.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by mcblogerson View Post
    If they play 3-4, I'd think it would be in passing situations, or against primarily passing teams. We don't have the players for a traditional 3-4. It would be more like a 3-3-5, with Brackens as the hybrid LB/S.
    I agree. Then we can blitz from any of the linebacker positions.


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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    I am completely ignorant on the personnel requirements for a 3-4 defense, but looking around at a few other schools that run the 3-4, it looks like the starters that CYCLNST8 mentioned are all similar in size to the typical college player at their position. The OLBs may be a bit undersized. Backup NT and OLB look to be undersized underclassmen.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    Quote Originally Posted by ahaselhu View Post
    I am completely ignorant on the personnel requirements for a 3-4 defense, but looking around at a few other schools that run the 3-4, it looks like the starters that CYCLNST8 mentioned are all similar in size to the typical college player at their position. The OLBs may be a bit undersized. Backup NT and OLB look to be undersized underclassmen.
    It's all in how you look at it. You either have two monsters Nose tackles that can rotate and take the double teams, or you can use a smaller guy at the Nose and have two big 3 and 5 techs to make up for the size inside. Big middle backers and speed guys on the outside will offset the small interior personnel. I prefer to get the big monster nose guards and let the speedy backers pick the ball carriers off.



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    Re: Post spring 2-deep projection

    I think a 3-3 could be effective, although when we've run it in the past we've seen mixed results. Against Missouri in 2010 it was effective in slowing down their passing game. Against them the next season they ran like crazy on us.



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