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    Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Hello Clone Friends,

    Thought you might be interested to hear that former head basketball coach Tom Penders said on the Tim Brando show that Ollie and Hoiberg were going to revolutionize college basketball in the way the spread offense changed college football. Said that even hall of fame coaches would have to adapt for answer to it.

    I assume that Penders is talking about the positionless, inverted offense systems that both utilize.

    Pretty cool time to be a UConn/Iowa State fan.



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    I think he's right. Penders is a pretty respected in basketball circles.


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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Personally, while I think it's unique, I don't think it's as hard to defend and adjust to as some of the other major shifts we've seen in basketball and football over the past decade or so. Basketball is so much about player matchups that no type of system is as hard to adapt to as the players being matched up against. Good example is Baylor's defense - it can be broken with the right type of attack and a team like UCONN this year showed that quick, athletic, and eager defenders can adapt to a wide-range of styles such as those they faced against ISU, MSU, Florida, and UK - each with a different twist.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Hopefully everybody doesn't mock our offense



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones12321 View Post
    Hopefully everybody doesn't mock our offense
    Even if they did try to mock it, it would be like Messignham/Herman trying to replicate Mangino



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    I don't remember UConn inverting their offense much . Not taking anything away from Ollie because he is obviously a great coach.



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Thought the UCONN defense was just as key to their success. Their two little guards did a good job harassing the perimeter.


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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    You can see the building blocks of Ollie's system and its similarities to Hoibergs. Screen action based with free form options, spread floor with shooters/slashers. He's recruiting the same player over and over again.

    Hamliton/Purvis/Cassell/Jackson/Ali it's all the same guy. Ollie hasn't had his own personnel yet, you'll start to see the programs resemble each other IMO.



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Quote Originally Posted by OkaForPrez View Post
    You can see the building blocks of Ollie's system and its similarities to Hoibergs. Screen action based with free form options, spread floor with shooters/slashers. He's recruiting the same player over and over again.

    Hamliton/Purvis/Cassell/Jackson/Ali it's all the same guy. Ollie hasn't had his own personnel yet, you'll start to see the programs resemble each other IMO.
    The offense is similar. Pro style. Shabaz did a good job hitting the threes the last ten games.


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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Quote Originally Posted by OkaForPrez View Post
    You can see the building blocks of Ollie's system and its similarities to Hoibergs. Screen action based with free form options, spread floor with shooters/slashers. He's recruiting the same player over and over again.

    Hamliton/Purvis/Cassell/Jackson/Ali it's all the same guy. Ollie hasn't had his own personnel yet, you'll start to see the programs resemble each other IMO.
    If you guys make a habit of scoring the way we do, it makes a lot of other teams tough to watch.
    Just a heads up.


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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Jon Rothstein was on Jim Rome earlier this week and he said that AD's will start to look at hiring younger coaches that don't necessarily have much coaching experience because of the success Hoiberg and Ollie have had



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlHungus View Post
    Jon Rothstein was on Jim Rome earlier this week and he said that AD's will start to look at hiring younger coaches that don't necessarily have much coaching experience because of the success Hoiberg and Ollie have had
    It seems to go in ebbs and flows. A few hot young coaches have success and young coaches are the rage until people realize it isn't just about being young, it's about being in the right program at the right time. Then those young coaches flame out at the other schools and it goes back to picking veteran coaches for stability purposes. Not much different in any other sport.

    More than anything, what you'll probably happen with more success is middle of the road programs needing to make a surge bring in prior star players for a shot at the right coach, right program, right time trifecta. This happened with Hoiberg, Ollie, Manning and to an extent Kliff Kingsburry, Cael Sanderson, etc. The hard part for people to remember is that it has to be the right mix of those three characteristics or you'll be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    If you guys make a habit of scoring the way we do, it makes a lot of other teams tough to watch.
    Just a heads up.
    Very true.



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    A key for UConn was making an insane ft%



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    Re: Retired Head Basketball Coach Tom Penders on Ollie, Hoiberg

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Personally, while I think it's unique, I don't think it's as hard to defend and adjust to as some of the other major shifts we've seen in basketball and football over the past decade or so. Basketball is so much about player matchups that no type of system is as hard to adapt to as the players being matched up against. Good example is Baylor's defense - it can be broken with the right type of attack and a team like UCONN this year showed that quick, athletic, and eager defenders can adapt to a wide-range of styles such as those they faced against ISU, MSU, Florida, and UK - each with a different twist.
    well then you should be a coach, because lots of teams have had a lot of trouble defending Iowa State over the past 4 years. If it is as easy as you seem to think, then more teams should be doing it.



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