Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 31 to 40 of 40
  1. #31
    Legend
    Points: 163,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 46.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Here nor there
    Posts
    12,205
    Points
    163,948
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 683
    Given: 991

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Quote Originally Posted by tmac72 View Post
    off about 14 mins a game.
    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...71/jon-horford

    6'10 frame with a little finesse?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    He only avg'd 4/4 in 14min but he was under utilized. I think the biggest question I would have is how much would he really get to contribute for us with nothing remarkable that stands out other than height. Even with height, he isn't killing it on the boards so I don't see him taking time from Niang, Hogue and the new guys.
    Based on the video from the UCLA game, at the very least his career game is better than Edozie's career game, and he is bigger (for going against Ridley and KU posts). That was not a year's worth of data- just one game, maybe not even his best- and it showed better hands, feet, and touch imo.

    It is not a slam dunk though. Imo there are two questions:
    1.) what is the opportunity cost?
    If the other choice to bank two scholarships, I think he would be a great addition. Imo, we could have used him this past season for 10-15 minutes a game, and next year we have the same or bigger need first semester.
    Unless...
    2.) How does the staff feel about Edoize as a 20 minute a game guy? If they think he will be improved enough to play a bigger role 1st semester and when we are getting hurt by size, then we are probably not interested.



  2. #32
    Addict
    Points: 108,707, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.4%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    cyrocksmypants's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    8,989
    Points
    108,707
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,956
    Given: 124

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Not saying he'd be great, but I'd guess shots are limited there regardless with Staukus jacking it up every time down the court.



  3. #33
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 58,776, Level: 75
    Level completed: 16%, Points required for next Level: 1,274
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    4,384
    Points
    58,776
    Level
    75
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 42
    Given: 0

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUser View Post
    I'm not seeing this one.

    It looks like he's leaving for more playing time, and with the frontcourt we already have I don't know how he'd get enough minutes here for him to consider ISU.
    He might not be interested in Iowa State, but we should be I think.

    There are minutes to be earned. Assuming Nader/Hogue/Niang start at the 3/4/5 during non-conference play, Edozie is the only backup post player, and really Hogue and Nader are better suited at the 3 and not the 4. Horford would beat out Edozie as the first post of the bench and get 15-20 minutes a game in non-conference easy. If he proved himself capable, he'd earn playing time all season.

    Also, I don't think McKay is a great 3 point shooter. So if he plays next year, he won't stretch out the defense quite as much as we've been used to. I have no doubt that Fred will figure out how to use McKay, but during the non-conference season, we'll likely have shooters at every spot on the floor. Making a transition like that mid-season could cause problems. If Horford were on the team during non-con, the team would get used to playing with 1 guy who is not as much of an outside threat, making the transition to McKay easier.

    I love Edozie, but I'd definitely feel much more comfortable with Horford as the first post player off the bench.



  4. #34
    CF Founder
    Points: 239,282, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 3.0%
    Achievements:
    Your first GroupVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience Points
    Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Urbandale, IA
    Posts
    13,356
    Points
    239,282
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 356
    Given: 256

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    The only benefit I see is he could play immediately and he could play 5-10 mins per game and not be much of a liability on the court. However, there will likely be better players available and I don't think he fills a critical hole that would give him the PT he probably wants.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

  5. #35
    Speechless
    Points: 347,787, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 32.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialYour first GroupRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Tre4ISU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Estherville
    Posts
    19,483
    Points
    347,787
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 682
    Given: 89

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    I'm a Michigan fan so I'll chime in a little. This is weird to me. Some expected this to happen last year with Morgan and McGary both back. Right now, McGary is really the only true post player they have. Mark Donnal is a stretch four and the recruits name escapes me but he was expected to redshirt. There was probably 10-15 minutes for him to be had on a very quality team. If he wants more, he won't be playing on a very good team, IMO. So, his skillset. He's a pretty traditional center. He has good, not great athletic ability, is a good shot blocker, but overall a mediocre defender. Morgan was clearly the option when Michigan needed post defense. He finishes well and has shown to be able to knockdown a mid range jumper if they will let him have it. Like Morgan, he didn't fit the offensive system but wasn't a liability on either end of the court. So, would I take him at ISU? Probably as the last scholarship. I think he's better than Percy would have been and probably offers more than Edozie at this point. I do think Edozie could be better in a year. We can talk about a loaded front line but as many guys as we have there, only one has shown to be a very good rebounder and he's 6'6. McKay will be great, IMO, but piling a guy like Horford in there on just a one year commitment isn't the worst thing. I don't think he will even look at ISU. It's a similar overall system in that it's perimeter oriented and doesn't cater to a guy like him.


    It's all snark from here on out

  6. #36
    Speechless
    Points: 347,787, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 32.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialYour first GroupRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Tre4ISU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Estherville
    Posts
    19,483
    Points
    347,787
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 682
    Given: 89

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrocksmypants View Post
    Not saying he'd be great, but I'd guess shots are limited there regardless with Staukus jacking it up every time down the court.
    LOL. He scored one more point on 3 less shots than Niang. He's incredibly efficient. 10 shots a game isn't very many for a guy that had a 47/44/82 season.


    It's all snark from here on out

  7. #37
    CF Founder
    Points: 239,282, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 3.0%
    Achievements:
    Your first GroupVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience Points
    Jeremy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Urbandale, IA
    Posts
    13,356
    Points
    239,282
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 356
    Given: 256

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    I'm a Michigan fan so I'll chime in a little. This is weird to me. Some expected this to happen last year with Morgan and McGary both back. Right now, McGary is really the only true post player they have. Mark Donnal is a stretch four and the recruits name escapes me but he was expected to redshirt. There was probably 10-15 minutes for him to be had on a very quality team. If he wants more, he won't be playing on a very good team, IMO. So, his skillset. He's a pretty traditional center. He has good, not great athletic ability, is a good shot blocker, but overall a mediocre defender. Morgan was clearly the option when Michigan needed post defense. He finishes well and has shown to be able to knockdown a mid range jumper if they will let him have it. Like Morgan, he didn't fit the offensive system but wasn't a liability on either end of the court. So, would I take him at ISU? Probably as the last scholarship. I think he's better than Percy would have been and probably offers more than Edozie at this point. I do think Edozie could be better in a year. We can talk about a loaded front line but as many guys as we have there, only one has shown to be a very good rebounder and he's 6'6. McKay will be great, IMO, but piling a guy like Horford in there on just a one year commitment isn't the worst thing. I don't think he will even look at ISU. It's a similar overall system in that it's perimeter oriented and doesn't cater to a guy like him.
    +1 Agree.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

  8. #38
    Pro
    Points: 36,780, Level: 59
    Level completed: 11%, Points required for next Level: 1,070
    Overall activity: 3.0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    iacyguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Dirty Dodge
    Posts
    2,080
    Points
    36,780
    Level
    59
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 93
    Given: 56

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    MSU pipeline



  9. #39
    Bench Warmer
    Points: 16,535, Level: 39
    Level completed: 11%, Points required for next Level: 715
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered10000 Experience Points
    CycloneCarter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Zion
    Posts
    330
    Points
    16,535
    Level
    39
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 89
    Given: 223

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Quote Originally Posted by iacyguy View Post
    MSU pipeline
    Ehhhh close enough, right? Same state.

    It wouldn't be a bad thing to have Horford until McKay is able to play in December. But I don't think he would get many minutes after that. Probably not what he is looking for.


    Last edited by CycloneCarter; 04-10-2014 at 06:57 PM.
    “That’s how good they are,” said Moton, whose MEAC champion Eagles (28-5) are on a 20-game win streak. “I couldn’t sleep (Monday) night. I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about DeAndre Kane — and that’s reality. … They just present so many different matchup nightmares across the board.”

  10. #40
    Legend
    Points: 163,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 46.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Here nor there
    Posts
    12,205
    Points
    163,948
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 683
    Given: 991

    Re: Michigan's Jon Horford transferring

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    I'm a Michigan fan so I'll chime in a little. This is weird to me. Some expected this to happen last year with Morgan and McGary both back. Right now, McGary is really the only true post player they have. Mark Donnal is a stretch four and the recruits name escapes me but he was expected to redshirt. There was probably 10-15 minutes for him to be had on a very quality team. If he wants more, he won't be playing on a very good team, IMO. So, his skillset. He's a pretty traditional center. He has good, not great athletic ability, is a good shot blocker, but overall a mediocre defender. Morgan was clearly the option when Michigan needed post defense. He finishes well and has shown to be able to knockdown a mid range jumper if they will let him have it. Like Morgan, he didn't fit the offensive system but wasn't a liability on either end of the court. So, would I take him at ISU? Probably as the last scholarship. I think he's better than Percy would have been and probably offers more than Edozie at this point. I do think Edozie could be better in a year. We can talk about a loaded front line but as many guys as we have there, only one has shown to be a very good rebounder and he's 6'6. McKay will be great, IMO, but piling a guy like Horford in there on just a one year commitment isn't the worst thing. I don't think he will even look at ISU. It's a similar overall system in that it's perimeter oriented and doesn't cater to a guy like him.
    Agree, our interest comes down to the other options and how they feel Edozie will improve. We could use him though.
    Will he be interested in ISU? Probably not, but that is due to fit more than PT imo.



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: FS1
  • FOOTBALL: Iowa State vs. West Virginia
  • November 29, 2014
  • 11:00 AM