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    Re: *****LEATH VEISHEA PRESSER LIVE STREAM*****

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    I'm certainly not doing that. I think the rioters should be identified and punished including athletes. Unfortunately the bad apples have ruined the entire barrel. That sucks for the good students, but such is the way of things. It's a student event, and a few students ****ed it up for everyone. VEISHEA has a reputation of drunken craziness. A few cherry pies and student projects doesn't change that. The entire celebration is tainted.
    Only if we allow it to be.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    Only if we allow it to be.
    That taint sank in a long time ago.


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    Re: *****LEATH VEISHEA PRESSER LIVE STREAM*****

    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    More than just a few hours, more like months. The cast and crew of SOV have been working since last fall. That's gone. The HDFS college sells 12,000 cherry pies at Veishea, which goes to fund scholarships for the department. That's gone. Those are just two small examples of events that go on this week. Those could very well be life changing events for some students. But it doesn't affect you, so, who cares, right? The people who don't think canceling Veishea will have an impact on more than just a few students are just as short-sighted as the drunken idiots who caused the problems last night.


    It sucks that their work is down the drain, but the student body has nobody but itself to blame. If they're mad about it, direct that anger directly at their fellow students. And again, if the worst thing that happens to them in their college careers is several hours of work going for naught, then they should consider themselves lucky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    Not the same thing. You didn't win the contract, and yes, that sucks.

    Someone else gets drunk and destroys property off campus, and your work gets flushed because of what they did? That sucks also, but so many of you are so bloody blase about the losses of the people who didn't participate. Have some empathy.

    And at the same time, people on another thread are defending someone who was photographed in the middle of all of it holding up a stolen stop sign. I don't really care if he tore it out of the ground himself. My point is, along with a great many others he was there, he was in the crowd, he was showing approval of what was being done, even if he wasn't doing it himself.

    We're defending athletes and students who over indulge and form a mob, we're saying tough **** to students who worked hard and are seeing all of their efforts go for naught. You really don't see the disconnect there?
    I certainly can empathize. My class didn't get to take a senior trip because the class ahead of mine did stupid **** on theirs. That doesn't change the fact that life isn't fair, and sometimes stuff like this happens. If this is the worst setback these students suffer, they'll have led a very blessed life.


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    Re: *****LEATH VEISHEA PRESSER LIVE STREAM*****

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    I'm certainly not doing that. I think the rioters should be identified and punished including athletes. Unfortunately the bad apples have ruined the entire barrel. That sucks for the good students, but such is the way of things. It's a student event, and a few students ****ed it up for everyone. VEISHEA has a reputation of drunken craziness. A few cherry pies and student projects doesn't change that. The entire celebration is tainted.
    Except that the actual riot had absolutely nothing to do with the student event other than that event being an excuse to get drunk. Most students don't even understand what VEISHEA is actually a celebration of and this is part of the problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    That taint sank in a long time ago.
    And it cannot be counteracted by a bunch of folks saying Life isn't fair...deal with it.



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    Re: *****LEATH VEISHEA PRESSER LIVE STREAM*****

    I do think Leath should've kept SOME things, such as the parade and cherry pies. I went to the parade every year as a kid, and the one time I went as a college student, the only college students I saw were IN the parade.

    Other than that, I support canceling the rest of Vieshea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tm3308 View Post
    I certainly can empathize. My class didn't get to take a senior trip because the class ahead of mine did stupid **** on theirs. That doesn't change the fact that life isn't fair, and sometimes stuff like this happens. If this is the worst setback these students suffer, they'll have led a very blessed life.
    And my last paragraph?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    I do think Leath should've kept SOME things, such as the parade and cherry pies. I went to the parade every year as a kid, and the one time I went as a college student, the only college students I saw were IN the parade.

    Other than that, I support canceling the rest of Vieshea.
    I agree 100% with this. There are plenty of events that promote a great family atmosphere and provide good publicity to the university. I would have no problem cancelling VEISHEA next year or even for several years to try to get part of the party reputation that has grown into the event.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    Apparently we interpret that quote differently. We also interpret President Leath's actions differently.
    You know why, when someone on a team does something stupid, the entire team runs/suffers for it? Because unfairly punishing the entire team for the misguided actions of a few encourages the players to hold each other accountable for their actions. Maybe students will be more willing to step up and call idiots out on their ****, when that **** can affect them, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cydwinder View Post
    Except that the actual riot had absolutely nothing to do with the student event other than that event being an excuse to get drunk. Most students don't even understand what VEISHEA is actually a celebration of and this is part of the problem.
    Yes, the riot is absolutely tied to the event. If this hadn't been VEISHEA week, that riot doesn't happen. It's as simple as that. The participants chanted "VEISHEA! VEISHEA!" as they rioted. The riot is 100% linked to the event.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ImJustKCClone View Post
    And my last paragraph?
    ******, not one time have I even approached defending the people who were actually doing stupid ****. They deserve to have the hammer brought down on them hard. It sucks that other people have to suffer, too, but that's life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    Yes, the riot is absolutely tied to the event. If this hadn't been VEISHEA week, that riot doesn't happen. It's as simple as that. The participants chanted "VEISHEA! VEISHEA!" as they rioted. The riot is 100% linked to the event.
    They rioted because it was VEISHEA week, but not because of any of the actual event. I worded that poorly. The drinking and partying is not part of what VEISHEA is, but many students use VEISHEA as an excuse to drink excessively.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    I do think Leath should've kept SOME things, such as the parade and cherry pies. I went to the parade every year as a kid, and the one time I went as a college student, the only college students I saw were IN the parade.

    Other than that, I support canceling the rest of Vieshea.
    I think that ought to be the route they go for next year. But, this year, I'm fine with shutting down the whole thing. Is it punitive? Sure. That's not a bad thing, though. If it makes good students mad? Good. Might encourage them to self police a little better in the future.


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    Re: *****LEATH VEISHEA PRESSER LIVE STREAM*****

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    I do think Leath should've kept SOME things, such as the parade and cherry pies. I went to the parade every year as a kid, and the one time I went as a college student, the only college students I saw were IN the parade.

    Other than that, I support canceling the rest of Vieshea.
    Comments like these is what sucks the worst, especially if they cancel it for good.

    It is such a good event for families to have their children start loving Iowa State.

    My gf is (was) a die hard hawk fan and graduate, always swearing that our kids would be Hawkeye fans (which was NEVER going to happen regardless). But after her first VEISHEA after walking around and doing the adult/family/student organization stuff and loving it, her exact words were "Oh **** they are going to be Cyclones aren't they, I guess I lose."



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