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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Me State View Post
    It amazes me that people get so upset over police departments acquiring these. The military isn't going to use them anymore and the departments are getting them for free. To buy a similar armored vehicle the cost is around $200,000. These aren't used for patrol, traffic enforcement or any other minor task (minus public events to show them off to kids). They only come out when they are needed. A common use for armored vehicles is to safely get to people that are in harms way and remove them to a safe area. If it is ever your family and you have some nut job neighbor that wants to barricade himself in his house and pop off rounds you will be very happy when that armored vehicle rolls up, loads up your family and gets you to safety.
    I'll take my chances on that, thank you.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    I'll take my chances on that, thank you.
    Unfortunately, you don't get to decide for everyone. You are more than welcome to refuse any assistance if ever offered though.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Me State View Post
    It amazes me that people get so upset over police departments acquiring these. The military isn't going to use them anymore and the departments are getting them for free. To buy a similar armored vehicle the cost is around $200,000. These aren't used for patrol, traffic enforcement or any other minor task (minus public events to show them off to kids). They only come out when they are needed. A common use for armored vehicles is to safely get to people that are in harms way and remove them to a safe area. If it is ever your family and you have some nut job neighbor that wants to barricade himself in his house and pop off rounds you will be very happy when that armored vehicle rolls up, loads up your family and gets you to safety.
    Because that is, after all, a common occurrence in Story County.

    The problem with stuff like this is once a sheriff/police department has it they start to come up with excuses to use it. Just like they do with SWAT teams and other paramilitary stuff.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    I'll take my chances on that, thank you.
    Where do we draw this arbitrary line of what type of weaponry or machinery is ok for police use?



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Me State View Post
    Unfortunately, you don't get to decide for everyone. You are more than welcome to refuse any assistance if ever offered though.
    Neither do you. The question is whether we are comfortable becoming a Police State or not, or if we are comfortable in moving that direction. I am not.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    I don't think they're planning on ever having to use it. It's not like it'll be roaming the streets looking for speeders. It's just a pretty cool toy to have and can be used if a riot gets out of hand.


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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Because that is, after all, a common occurrence in Story County.

    The problem with stuff like this is once a sheriff/police department has it they start to come up with excuses to use it. Just like they do with SWAT teams and other paramilitary stuff.
    Exactly right.

    Why is this a "must have" item for a sheriff's office in Iowa? And small town Iowa at that? This thing going to be called out to Ames (about the only place needed). Will it respond to Marshalltown or Des Moines?

    I get that it's "free" (and as cyclonepride pointed out - nothing is free). But this is so damn unique, nobody is going to convince me it's not a small fortune to upkeep. Wouldn't we be better off commandeering a bank armour truck as needed, or buying a used one of those?

    I'm all for protecting law enforcement. But this reeks of ego. Like somebody in the sheriffs office was watching all that hardware during the Boston bombing last spring and got aroused.

    Another question. Did the citizens of Story county have much say if they want effectively a tank in their midst (or their budget)?



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    Exactly right.

    Why is this a "must have" item for a sheriff's office in Iowa? And small town Iowa at that? This thing going to be called out to Ames (about the only place needed). Will it respond to Marshalltown or Des Moines?

    I get that it's "free" (and as cyclonepride pointed out - nothing is free). But this is so damn unique, nobody is going to convince me it's not a small fortune to upkeep. Wouldn't we be better off commandeering a bank armour truck as needed, or buying a used one of those?

    I'm all for protecting law enforcement. But this reeks of ego. Like somebody in the sheriffs office was watching all that hardware during the Boston bombing last spring and got aroused.

    Another question. Did the citizens of Story county have much say if they want effectively a tank in their midst (or their budget)?
    The main question in my mind is the relationship between the public and police, and the mindset that comes with military hardware and training. A guy from the Iowa State Patrol was on the news a couple of months ago bragging about the military style training that they now undergo, like that was a good thing. I do not think it is. I think it changes both how the public views police and how police view the public.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Somebody needs to explain to me how this is going to be effective for riot situation?

    A lot of landmines on on Lincoln Way nowadays?

    It's a transport. Going to throw loudspeakers on it? The 12 deputies nice and safe inside from rocks while telling everyone to disperse?



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    I will say that I have no issue with departments owning these things. They've been paid for and they still function so they may as well be used. We, the military, could use them too, but only for training purposes. I'd rather they be used in this manner than to be parked in a motor pool somewhere.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    The main question in my mind is the relationship between the public and police, and the mindset that comes with military hardware and training. A guy from the Iowa State Patrol was on the news a couple of months ago bragging about the military style training that they now undergo, like that was a good thing. I do not think it is. I think it changes both how the public views police and how police view the public.
    When I was a senior at ISU back in '94, I worked at the Parks and Rec dept downtown at City Hall. Unbenownst to most people, the police would practice crowd control out at the maintenance facility on S Dayton, leading up to VIESHEA. Big concrete building that they would tear gas, practice "storming" and so on. One night I was at the community center when the police force returned from one of these sessions in all their nice new riot gear and tear gas guns, etc and so on - they procured after the '92 riots.

    Now again, I'm all for protection. And they had reason to be concerned and hence prepared. But there was something really scary about that situation. Like they were looking for trouble. I never was involved in either of the two disturbances when I was at ISU. But I agree with most (and this is looking back as a 42 y/o, not a brash twenty something), that must of the trouble that occurred CAN be laid at the feet of police who were quite literally looking for trouble. The way they came out of that firestation on Welch in their formations and riot regalia - to this day, I think they were the CAUSE of the riot that ensued. Particularly when they ended up gassing Friley.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonehomer View Post
    But the recent trend of citizens wanting military style weapons is not ridiculous? As long as citizens are allowed to carry assault weapons, the police will need equipment like this to protect themselves from those weapons.
    Recent? Please ignore 1775 onward. Military style? Assault weapons? What exactly are those, and what makes them more scary? You do know all rifles kill under 400 a year in America, right?

    As for America, how about more Mayberry and less Fallujah?



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post
    Somebody needs to explain to me how this is going to be effective for riot situation?

    A lot of landmines on on Lincoln Way nowadays?

    It's a transport. Going to throw loudspeakers on it? The 12 deputies nice and safe inside from rocks while telling everyone to disperse?
    The article literally doesn't say anything about riots.

    This thread is horribly titled.



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    Re: New Riot Buster?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyClone View Post

    Another question. Did the citizens of Story county have much say if they want effectively a tank in their midst (or their budget)?
    According to the article, the story County sheriff has been trying to get one since he took office in 1990. So by continuing to elect him, I would say yes the citizens of story County did have a say.



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