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    How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Had a long discussion last night with some folks, former coaches....about the current transfer rules and noticed that there is an NCAA board meeting April 24th. Probably nothing happens at that meeting......but how long do you forsee this garage sale type recruiting to exist with the way the NCAA is?


    On one hand (and homerism) i think the student athlete has earned the right by graduating to use his 5th year and freely transfer wherever he wants to play wherever he wants. Hes earned that thru his education and work on the court/field.

    The other hand or arguement is from an NCAA persepctive....is that REALLY in tune with NCAA values as the 5th year transfer has zero to do with education of the player.


    And does the growing importance of these transfers start altering the way coaches "deal" with players...for instance.....do coaches monitor closer who they redshirt, because if the kid graduates, he could leave. Can it create a situation where coaches slow acadamic progress.

    I think we are going to see some sort of reform....its just what will it be and when.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Why would they change it? There is already a penalty of sitting out for transferring... They can't penalize athletes for continuing their education after graduating if their current school doesn't offer what they need next.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    I don't see anything changing any time soon in regards to the graduate rule. And frankly - I think it's a good rule.

    I don't think it's a simple as getting your degree and being able to transfer carte-blanche. You have to transfer to a program not offered by your current institution, correct? Granted - that's the easiest thing in the world to circumvent. But it has a good intent, particularly for kids at smaller schools with very limited graduate programs. ..


    It's unfortunate for the school, but I think it the best interest for the student (for once). So now that I say that, and realizing we're talking about the NCAA, I fully expect them to remove this loophole and place ISU on probation.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    If they no longer allow the 5th year, I'll be anxious to hear how they think the situation of at least attempting a masters degree is worse for college integrity than someone like Andrew Wiggins who clearly noted at the beginning of the year "I'm excited for my last year of school" (not a knock on him at all, just noting the situation he's in)



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    The rule I want to see changed by the NBA is the one and done. Forcing them to stay at least a second year is better for both parties.

    Keeps talent in the NCAA longer, and gives players more experience and time to develop. Also gives the scouts more tape to work with. I know the NBA is all about raw talent and potential, but it still makes sense.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    Why would they change it? There is already a penalty of sitting out for transferring... They can't penalize athletes for continuing their education after graduating if their current school doesn't offer what they need next.

    But dealing with 5th year guys who have graduated.....they transfer is pretty much based on playing time, not the schoolwork.


    The folks IMO who should be banging down the NCAA door to have this rule changed are mid majors. Thats essentially where a lot of these guys get plucked (Im aware WE have had a lot of D1 guys). I dont have the numbers but im guessing they tend to redshirt more, it also allows the 5th year kid to get to a major conference/school like Kane for instance.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    The rule I want to see changed by the NBA is the one and done. Forcing them to stay at least a second year is better for both parties.

    Keeps talent in the NCAA longer, and gives players more experience and time to develop. Also gives the scouts more tape to work with. I know the NBA is all about raw talent and potential, but it still makes sense.
    Change the rules on freshmen scholarships to have them count for two years (whether or not the player is there for one or two years). Schools could still load up on one & dones, but the next year would potentially suck. It wouldn't be a huge deterrent for getting one of those kind of players, but would force Kentucky or Kansas to rethink their recruiting.


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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    The rule I want to see changed by the NBA is the one and done. Forcing them to stay at least a second year is better for both parties.

    Keeps talent in the NCAA longer, and gives players more experience and time to develop. Also gives the scouts more tape to work with. I know the NBA is all about raw talent and potential, but it still makes sense.
    Agreed. I think that if the player is touted enough he should have the right to go to the NBA right out of high school. If the player decides to play college ball he should have to stay at least 2 years.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    Change the rules on freshmen scholarships to have them count for two years (whether or not the player is there for one or two years). Schools could still load up on one & dones, but the next year would potentially suck. It wouldn't be a huge deterrent for getting one of those kind of players, but would force Kentucky or Kansas to rethink their recruiting.
    This is an interesting solution I hadn't heard before. Seems like it could be putting the players themselves in a tough situation. I mean if they are good enough to go pro, and the NBA would take them, it could be foolish to stay. As much as we rag on the one and dones, they are going to college to get ready for their future, which is what college really about right?

    Ultimately, I don't the whole one and done issue is going to change until the NBA decides they need to stay at least 2 years.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    These kids are not indentured servants.

    I would love to see the NCAA defend against a lawsuit that penalizes a player that earns an undergraduate degree. The NCAA pretends that they want these kids to be student athletes, so anything that rewards them for getting a degree should be encouraged not discouraged.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Why do people buy into the nonsense that this is a bad rule?

    Any rule that encourages a guy to complete his undergraduate degree is a good rule. And let's be honest, this is what it does in some instances.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    Change the rules on freshmen scholarships to have them count for two years (whether or not the player is there for one or two years). Schools could still load up on one & dones, but the next year would potentially suck. It wouldn't be a huge deterrent for getting one of those kind of players, but would force Kentucky or Kansas to rethink their recruiting.
    Or these kids could be allowed to go straight from high school to the NBA if they choose to do so. It's crazy to force them into college for a year. It pollutes the integrity of college athletics by forcing a kid who has no desire to be a STUDENT/athlete to "pretend" to attend college for what... a semester and then bolt for the NBA? These one and done freshman are nothing more then hired guns for a semester and that isn't good for the college game at all.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    All of the coaches at the blue bloods who fill their teams with 5 stars hate it, because this is a way for the less exposed teams to get talent and compete. I can't wait for the NBA to up the age limit on the NBA. No more one and done's.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mt85 View Post
    These kids are not indentured servants.

    I would love to see the NCAA defend against a lawsuit that penalizes a player that earns an undergraduate degree. The NCAA pretends that they want these kids to be student athletes, so anything that rewards them for getting a degree should be encouraged not discouraged.
    And hard as it is to believe, graduation is not the only reason people go to college. Getting some extra graduate coursework is not a bad thing, assuming it is legitimate coursework (maybe another discussion to have).

    The number of Americans who have had "some" college is like 56% and the number with a degree is under 30% (just estimating numbers from a few years ago).

    The NCAA is so full of poor decisions, that they should maybe prioritize actually making student-athletes be students over guys who actually get a degree and then go on to grad work. Look at the stories coming out of schools like UNC where academics are made a joke.



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    Re: How long will the current transfer rules exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFine View Post
    Why do people buy into the nonsense that this is a bad rule?

    Any rule that encourages a guy to complete his undergraduate degree is a good rule. And let's be honest, this is what it does in some instances.

    The transfer rule does not promote the education of a student......it just allows them to play elsewhere free of the original school. I would say its encouraging education.



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