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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by im4cyclones View Post
    I think four years of consistently good play is admirable. He was a great Cyclone. But let's be clear, we are talking about good, not great.
    "Four years of consistently good play" is an incredible understatement.

    I'll contend that four years of high academic performance and consistently improving play culminating in a Big 12 player of the year, All American season while leading a program to three straight NCAA tournament appearances is pretty, well, great.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by roundball View Post
    "Four years of consistently good play" is an incredible understatement.

    I'll contend that four years of high academic performance and consistently improving play culminating in a Big 12 player of the year, All American season while leading a program to three straight NCAA tournament appearances is pretty, well, great.
    he was a very important piece each year, but more of a role player in the first two NCAA appearances.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    He is an ALL-AMERICAN. Did you catch that? Do you know how many all-americans ISU has had in its history? His jersey should be up there based on his accomplishments, whether you think his game is inspiring or not. Before the awards this season there may have been room for debate, but I don't think there is any more room. All-American in more than one list, first team all conference, POY in the Big 12, led the league in rebounding one year, and scoring the next? He also is an academic all-american. How many players in the history of college bball have achieved both all-american and academic all-american status?

    Like I said, even if you think there are better players in the history of the school, he has accomplished what few have done at ISU, and capped it with a sweet sixteen to boot. Give the man his props.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by allday4cy View Post
    he was a very important piece each year, but more of a role player in the first two NCAA appearances.
    Yeah, he was a role player. His role in 2012 was getting more rebounds than anyone on the team, as a sophomore, other than some guy named Royce White. His role in the 2013 tournament was leading the team in rebounds and scoring.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by LindenCy View Post
    He is an ALL-AMERICAN. Did you catch that? Do you know how many all-americans ISU has had in its history? His jersey should be up there based on his accomplishments, whether you think his game is inspiring or not. Before the awards this season there may have been room for debate, but I don't think there is any more room. All-American in more than one list, first team all conference, POY in the Big 12, led the league in rebounding one year, and scoring the next? He also is an academic all-american. How many players in the history of college bball have achieved both all-american and academic all-american status?

    Like I said, even if you think there are better players in the history of the school, he has accomplished what few have done at ISU, and capped it with a sweet sixteen to boot. Give the man his props.

    This nails it....how long does it usually take to do this? ISU will get it done, no worries.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by allday4cy View Post
    he was a very important piece each year, but more of a role player in the first two NCAA appearances.
    What do you call a role player who keeps accepting and succeeding at different roles as him team needs him to? Rafter worthy.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by LindenCy View Post
    He is an ALL-AMERICAN. Did you catch that? Do you know how many all-americans ISU has had in its history? His jersey should be up there based on his accomplishments, whether you think his game is inspiring or not. Before the awards this season there may have been room for debate, but I don't think there is any more room. All-American in more than one list, first team all conference, POY in the Big 12, led the league in rebounding one year, and scoring the next? He also is an academic all-american. How many players in the history of college bball have achieved both all-american and academic all-american status?

    Like I said, even if you think there are better players in the history of the school, he has accomplished what few have done at ISU, and capped it with a sweet sixteen to boot. Give the man his props.
    5. There have been 5.
    I think the hesitance some have must be tied to the same problem some have had accepting that Fred is building an elite program here. It's been so long since we had someone deserving of the rafters that it's tough to accept.

    But there really wasn't anything more for Melvin to do here in order to deserve it. He's earned the honor objectively.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
    Make this one for the ages!




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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    For comparisons sake:

    Player 1:
    126 games played 123 games started 1993 points 748 rebounds 350 assists 207 steals 15 blocks
    Honorable Mention All American
    Conference freshman of the year
    2nd team all conference as a Jr.
    1st team all conference as a Sr.


    Player 2:
    135 games played 126 starts 1643 points 1051 rebounds 146 steals 59 blocks 32 Double doubles
    2nd Team All American
    Conference POY
    1st team all conference Sr.
    3rd team all conference Jr.


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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    This discussion when from a debate to a no brainer long ago. Excited for the day we celebrate Melvin by hanging the jersey.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    For comparisons sake:

    Player 1:
    126 games played 123 games started 1993 points 748 rebounds 350 assists 207 steals 15 blocks
    All American
    Conference freshman of the year
    2nd team all conference as a Jr.
    1st team all conference as a Sr.


    Player 2:
    135 games played 126 starts 1643 points 1051 rebounds 146 steals 59 blocks 32 Double doubles
    All American
    Conference POY
    1st team all conference Sr.
    3rd team all conference Jr.
    It seems hard to find any more, but I am fairly sure player 2 also has higher all-american honors than player one (team wise and number of teams), but am not positive.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by LindenCy View Post
    It seems hard to find any more, but I am fairly sure player 2 also has higher all-american honors than player one (team wise and number of teams), but am not positive.
    Edited for that



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    Edited for that
    Ah, yeah, I thought player one was an honorable mention AA, but wasn't sure.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    FWIW I think Ejim is on the border of jersey-rafterness. I wouldn't be terribly surprised or disagree either way.

    I'm sure it's already been mentioned ad nauseum here, but for me one reason Ejim doesn't strike me as a no brainer rafter jersey is that he was a good to very good role player for 3 seasons, and one of the top 3 guys on the team his Sr. year. Yes, I still feel like it's a bit of a toss-up who between Ejim, Kane, and Niang should be the MVP of the team this year. I think big 12 POY should have been Kane->Ejim->Wiggins.

    Great player who may or may not get his jersey raised. But I don't get a vote.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    I don't get a vote either, I think the news today pretty much clinches it however. If we aren't going to retire a guy's jersey that is 2nd team All American then I am not sure why anyone's is retired. Tinsely, Fizer, Grayer, Grayer and Thompson are the only others.

    So odd that Melvin might have been appreciated more nationally than he was by ISU fans.



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    Re: Hang Ejim's Jersey!

    Quote Originally Posted by CornFedIABoy View Post
    There is no official standard of requirements for having your number retired at ISU. ... The choice to retire a number isn't a matter of checking boxes and declaring a pass/fail ... Melvin is a foundation stone for all the other work Fred Hoiberg has done to revive our great basketball tradition here at ISU.
    I quoted random bits from your post, because these are "X-factor" details (to go along w/ the stats and the academic student-athlete details). They’re variables that augment a "body of work" so to speak.

    Hoiberg did plenty on-court and academically to get a jersey retirement, but did his ball boy-to-The Mayor storyline contribute to the decision? I'm pretty sure that helped. And I have no problem with that. It’s part of the equation.

    As I've said before, no rush on Ejim; if it's to be, it will happen. I might consider Alexander sooner, as several fans have said.

    However, if Melvin’s game included only one additional quality — the sweet, soft inside shooting touch of Big Victa — I might push for an Ejim rafter-ceremony as early as next week...


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