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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by mkleve44 View Post
    Manhattan needs to hire Masiello back ASAP. He is a good coach and eventually will get that big name job.
    Can they hire him back if he doesn't have a degree? I would assume that is against their hiring policy too.

    Dude needs to be on the phone with the registrar at UK and figure out what he needs to do ASAP.



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    It's ridiculous that he would need a degree to get the job. It's dumb on his part that he padded his resume, because the piece of paper wasn't what got him consideration for this job in the first place. But if the degree is a requirement, its a completely arbitrary one. Obviously he can do the job, look at his record so far.

    I think USF is making a mistake by rescinding the offer of employment.


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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    It's ridiculous that he would need a degree to get the job. It's dumb on his part that he padded his resume, because the piece of paper wasn't what got him consideration for this job in the first place. But if the degree is a requirement, its a completely arbitrary one. Obviously he can do the job, look at his record so far.

    I think USF is making a mistake by rescinding the offer of employment.
    I'm thinking it's more the lying than the actual degree.




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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    I'm thinking it's more the lying than the actual degree.
    I know the lying is the reason, thus my comment about "the piece of paper."


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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    It's ridiculous that he would need a degree to get the job. It's dumb on his part that he padded his resume, because the piece of paper wasn't what got him consideration for this job in the first place. But if the degree is a requirement, its a completely arbitrary one. Obviously he can do the job, look at his record so far.

    I think USF is making a mistake by rescinding the offer of employment.
    Couldn't we make that argument of just about any job? The degree is just a piece of paper that doesn't demonstrate someone can or cannot do a job.

    I can't believe there is surprise that a college requires a college degree to be the head coach of one of its sports teams.

    Didn't Rutgers have this situation with their new coach? I think they gave him the opportunity to fix the issue, however. Maybe he didn't lie about it. Can't remember for sure.



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    It's ridiculous that he would need a degree to get the job. It's dumb on his part that he padded his resume, because the piece of paper wasn't what got him consideration for this job in the first place. But if the degree is a requirement, its a completely arbitrary one. Obviously he can do the job, look at his record so far.

    I think USF is making a mistake by rescinding the offer of employment.

    No. Lying during the hiring process demonstrates questionable character.





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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by im4cyclones View Post
    Couldn't we make that argument of just about any job? The degree is just a piece of paper that doesn't demonstrate someone can or cannot do a job.

    I can't believe there is surprise that a college requires a college degree to be the head coach of one of its sports teams.

    Didn't Rutgers have this situation with their new coach? I think they gave him the opportunity to fix the issue, however. Maybe he didn't lie about it. Can't remember for sure.
    I disagree. The piece of paper is important for some professions, but every job is an individual case, and when someone lacks appropriate work history, the piece of paper is the only thing an employer has to go on.

    Later in your career, however, that piece of paper is distant history, just like the first couple of jobs you had that don't even appear on your resume anymore. "Appropriate experience" should always be an acceptable substitute for a college degree.

    And yes, as a Tavern Clone who didn't graduate from Iowa State, I can admit that I'm biased.


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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    I disagree. The piece of paper is important for some professions, but every job is an individual case, and when someone lacks appropriate work history, the piece of paper is the only thing an employer has to go on.

    Later in your career, however, that piece of paper is distant history, just like the first couple of jobs you had that don't even appear on your resume anymore. "Appropriate experience" should always be an acceptable substitute for a college degree.

    And yes, as a Tavern Clone who didn't graduate from Iowa State, I can admit that I'm biased.
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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by 00clone View Post
    No. Lying during the hiring process demonstrates questionable character.
    But they are expected to lie to recruits: that the recruits are their first choice, they will go to NBA, he will be there for the rest of their college careers and not going to go to another team or NBA, etc.



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by mkleve44 View Post
    Manhattan needs to hire Masiello back ASAP. He is a good coach and eventually will get that big name job.
    I'd also make him sign a huge buy-out so he can't go anywhere w/o a $1M buyout. They can't keep him forever, but might as well get paid along the way.



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    I disagree. The piece of paper is important for some professions, but every job is an individual case, and when someone lacks appropriate work history, the piece of paper is the only thing an employer has to go on.

    Later in your career, however, that piece of paper is distant history, just like the first couple of jobs you had that don't even appear on your resume anymore. "Appropriate experience" should always be an acceptable substitute for a college degree.

    And yes, as a Tavern Clone who didn't graduate from Iowa State, I can admit that I'm biased.
    Surprisingly I find my degree still gets my foot in the door. All of these years later that piece of paper still holds some weight. I've also been blessed that ISU has a good reputation and brand.



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    I disagree. The piece of paper is important for some professions, but every job is an individual case, and when someone lacks appropriate work history, the piece of paper is the only thing an employer has to go on.

    Later in your career, however, that piece of paper is distant history, just like the first couple of jobs you had that don't even appear on your resume anymore. "Appropriate experience" should always be an acceptable substitute for a college degree.

    And yes, as a Tavern Clone who didn't graduate from Iowa State, I can admit that I'm biased.
    In pretty much any position, I would say a degree is just a piece of paper. In theory, this is slightly different. Part of this coaches job should be to at least be urging them to finish school and get a degree. When you are a former players who was in school for four years and didn't finish your degree, I don't know if that says a lot to kids. Of course, they would have never known that without the background check but the point is that I think when you are involved with college kids to the extent he is, a degree being required is ridiculous. An again, I think for a lot of jobs, degrees are just a piece of paper.

    This doesn't even take into account the lying part.


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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Two thoughts:

    1) I am for some reason suprised you even need to produce a resume for a NCAA head coaching job. Seems strange, and seems as though your qualifications wouldn't go much beyond win/loss and where you've coached, which is easily obtainable infromation.

    2) I can't imagine Manhattan hires him back. Why would you hire someone you know is going to jet at the next opportunity?



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by KnappShack View Post
    Surprisingly I find my degree still gets my foot in the door. All of these years later that piece of paper still holds some weight. I've also been blessed that ISU has a good reputation and brand.
    Know lots of people with seasoned resumes and no college degree that are out of work. So many companies have it as a minimum requirement these days, that work experience doesn't count. I have a cousin who gave her life to her job for 30 years, worked her way up the corporate ladder and was a comptroller for over 10 years until they hired a new CEO who brought in all his cronies for high management, but doesn't have a full degree, and can't even get a basic accounting job anywhere because of no degree.

    That piece of paper matters more than it should, but it is the way things work now.



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    Re: Manhattan's Masiello Possibly Without ANY Job

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone13 View Post
    But they are expected to lie to recruits: that the recruits are their first choice, they will go to NBA, he will be there for the rest of their college careers and not going to go to another team or NBA, etc.

    Management 101: Lying downward=totally cool. Lying upward=Not cool dude.






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