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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by IcSyU View Post
    You can't say the Big 10 is overrated in football because of their performance in bowl games and in the same breath say the Big 12 isn't overrated with their performance thus far in the tournament.
    Personally, i dont think you can compare football and basketball. Totally different animals. Even though there is parity in football now, its not even close to the parity we see in hoops. And, upsets are much more difficult to pull off in football.


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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Goothrey View Post
    Tournament performance is really a poor indicator of conference strength. Sure it makes some superficial trash talking points, but ultimately you are wasting your time in that kind of argument. Single elimination format provides too small a sample size and coupled with a luck of the draw situation with seeding and matchups, you can't come to any meaningful conclusions about conference strength.

    Ask yourself, do a couple of games completely negate what occured the entire regular season?
    Spot on.



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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyhart View Post
    Personally, i dont think you can compare football and basketball. Totally different animals. Even though there is parity in football now, its not even close to the parity we see in hoops. And, upsets are much more difficult to pull off in football.
    Another reason it's hard to compare the two: Bowl game matchups don't always reflect true comparison of pecking order (outside of the alleged championship game and some of the "BCS" bowls). If bowl bids were assigned on a strict power-ranking basis, (1 v 2, 3 v 4, etc.) it might make a better argument. But going by W-L when teams may not even be close to same level, in a one-game "playoff," so to speak, doesn't always mean much.


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    Re: Big 12

    Never look for real trends in March Madness.
    The tournament is its own beast.


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    Re: Big 12

    Injuries haven't helped this conference out, OU is the only team that lost to a lower seed besides Embiibless KU



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    Re: Big 12

    Some good points being brought up to defend the B12, but if the B10 had our record thus far we'd be trashing them and rightfully so.


    I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Re: Big 12

    http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/show...ghlight=bigten

    Seemed to be a pretty good indicator of conference strength when the tournament started....


    Quote Originally Posted by Goothrey View Post
    Tournament performance is really a poor indicator of conference strength. Sure it makes some superficial trash talking points, but ultimately you are wasting your time in that kind of argument. Single elimination format provides too small a sample size and coupled with a luck of the draw situation with seeding and matchups, you can't come to any meaningful conclusions about conference strength.

    Ask yourself, do a couple of games completely negate what occured the entire regular season?


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    Re: Big 12

    I have always thought basing conference strength, or comparing conferences based on tournament results where the seeding is at best always questionable was kind of silly.

    It is a lose and go home tourney. For about half the games, the teams have little time to prepare. It is played on courts that may or may not be "neutral". It is just too little information, and too different of conditions to base the strength of one conference over another purely on results. I mean if a conference has one or two teams representing it, and one of them wins the title, does that make them a stronger conference than one that had 70 percent of its teams in the tourney, but who all lost by say the 4th round?

    Plus, the one and done thing is the biggest factor. How many times out of 10 will a Dayton beat an Ohio State, let alone a Syracuse? How often would they beat those teams back to back? Or a Mercer beating a Duke? It all depends on not who is really the better team, but who happens to be the better team THAT DAY for a couple of hours.

    It's good for bragging rights for a year, and for a lot of wasted internet forum chatter (such as this) but that's about it.


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    Re: Big 12

    Is it 4:15 yet?



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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by LindenCy View Post
    Is it 4:15 yet?
    Im not expecting it to tip until at least 4:30. Hope im wrong.



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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Dryburn View Post
    Plus, the one and done thing is the biggest factor. How many times out of 10 will a Dayton beat an Ohio State, let alone a Syracuse? How often would they beat those teams back to back? Or a Mercer beating a Duke? It all depends on not who is really the better team, but who happens to be the better team THAT DAY for a couple of hours.
    Wait, what? How ELSE can you determine which team is better, other than a head-to-head game? What other "system" is remotely credible?



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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Tedcyclone View Post
    What does overrated mean? How are you specifically determining that? What conference isn't over rated then by those standards you are setting?
    If no team from the conference makes it to the sweet 16 it is reasonable to say it is overrated, though that is a tough barometer when the conference's strength is driven by parity with lots of good but no great teams. I do find it interesting that our message board is loaded with fans that think without Niang we are done but are defending the conference as not being overrated. What other team from a power conference has the POY and another first team selection like we do without Niang? If you think the Niang loss ends our hopes for a run the only explanation can be the conference is drastically overrated, Kane and Ejim didn't deserve these honors, or we do not have a legitimate division 1 supporting cast.



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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    Wait, what? How ELSE can you determine which team is better, other than a head-to-head game? What other "system" is remotely credible?
    Series. Which isn't feasible.



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    Re: Big 12

    KU was a lot better with Embiid.
    Texas started strong but stated to struggle at the end of the year.
    OU, see Texas
    ISU, we will see
    KSU was just an ok team
    OSU underachieved all year, used everything they had up in their last 6 game run.
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    Re: Big 12

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacktronic View Post
    Series. Which isn't feasible.
    OK, but everything that teams are evaluated on, to get into the tournament, is based on "head-to-head" games with other teams.



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