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    NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    I received an email yesterday after talking about the gifts that bowls are giving to players this year.

    By NCAA rule, bowls can spend up to $500 per player for bowl gifts...some of these are Nintendo Wii game systems, trips to ski resorts, custom boots, etc.

    The emailer said that Lucca Staiger gets one year taken away because he played on a team where teammates received stipends, but Lucca did nothing wrong, yet the NCAA will allow bowls to buy players gifts.

    I agree with him; another instance of NCAA hypocrisy.



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Once again, the NCAA shows that it talks out of both sides of its mouth. I find it to be complete lunacy that if I take my son and his friend out to lunch, and that friend happens to be Austen Arnaud, that I have just committed an illegal act that can wind up in Alusten's suspension from play. Yet a complete stranger who only has making his bowl game profitable on his mind can give him a Wii and that is perfectly legitimate. It is unconscionable that buying a $5.00 sandwich is prohibited, but a $500 game is acceptable. I understand the abuses that can be made (SMU, OU, the list goes on) but I'm talking a freakin' sandwich here, not a BMW. If a booster buys a kid he doesn't know an Escalade to get him to play ball, hammer them. If I want to buy my kid's friend a lunch, let me. Common sense is something that obviously must be checked at the door when you go to work at the NCAA.


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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Sorry, Jon, I can't agree. You're comparing apples and oranges. Those bowl gifts are available to every player who competes--and no one is gaining an advantage by playing in a "pro" league. The problem is in the NCAA's definition of what constitutes "pro" in this case. Only two players out of how many receiving benefits? As well as the fact that they could have told him that this was a problem when he asked the first time around. They really should stand up to their word.



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    First off, teh NCAA is a bunch of wishy washy hypocrites.

    2nd. How were they and Dr. Phil able to find a Wii when most of the country can't?

    Something is fishy.



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Is ISU or Iowa getting gifts this year? There IS an advantage.



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    What's wrong with the original comment? I agree with Jon - this reeks of hypocrisy. Is it possible for you or I to receive such gifts? No. Can schools that regularly go to bowls use such gifts as an advantage over schools that don't? Of course.

    How is such a practice not an unfair advantage?


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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    I don't see what was wrong with this post... he's sticking up for Lucca and the cyclones on a cyclones site and brings up a good point that I haven't personally seen posted here before. Good post in my opinion!



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Quote Originally Posted by acs4isu View Post
    Once again, the NCAA shows that it talks out of both sides of its mouth. I find it to be complete lunacy that if I take my son and his friend out to lunch, and that friend happens to be Austen Arnaud, that I have just committed an illegal act that can wind up in Alusten's suspension from play. Yet a complete stranger who only has making his bowl game profitable on his mind can give him a Wii and that is perfectly legitimate. It is unconscionable that buying a $5.00 sandwich is prohibited, but a $500 game is acceptable. I understand the abuses that can be made (SMU, OU, the list goes on) but I'm talking a freakin' sandwich here, not a BMW. If a booster buys a kid he doesn't know an Escalade to get him to play ball, hammer them. If I want to buy my kid's friend a lunch, let me. Common sense is something that obviously must be checked at the door when you go to work at the NCAA.
    Well said. I don't get it, either.



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Somebody's unhappy with their gutter guards.


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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Wow... why would you tell him to get a life? This exact topic was discussed here yesterday, Lucca and his situation has been a frequent topic of conversation. He posts without a hint of malice. If 99% of posters had made that exact post you wouldn't have thought twice.

    It IS hypocritical. Throughout the process the NCAA has maintained that any benefits or payments beyond actual living expenses create a professional environment and make the participants ineligible. Well, a Wii can in no way be construed as necessary travel or living expenses. A $500 shopping spree at Best Buy is virtually the equivalent of cash, as it would allow players to save money they would have normally spent. Take into account the fact that the "professionals" on Lucca's team made less than the value of a college scholarship and you have a situation where players on certain teams are being paid based on the success of their team. How this is allowed is a topic of discussion worthy of being addressed, especially here as pertinent issues have been repeatedly brought up.


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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    What is with all the N00bs on here recently getting snippy with everyone for no reason?


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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Let's face it, it's a lot easier to pick on one German guy than change a rule that effects hundreds of players across the country every year.




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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Plus the teams in these bowls are the power teams in the country. You have to keep them happy, the NCAA could care less about ISU because we are not a power team right now in any major sport.


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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    ISU hasn't heard back on Lucca's final appeal yet, right? Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything that fueld this argument.



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    Re: NCAA Hypocrisy: Lucca and Bowl Gifts

    Some of you guys should lay off on Jon for this post. You all blame him for drinking the Hawkeye kool aide (myself included at times) but for once here he agrees with what everyone else here does which is the NC double A-holes are hyprocrites. How can a kid like Lucca not do anything wrong and lose a whole year of eligibility yet some of these kids are getting up to $500 in gifts from bowls this winter? Make no mistake, the NCAA is all about the almighty dollar and will look the other way or find ways around something if its good for them.


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