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    Does Meyer check down?

    Has anyone ever watched Meyer to see if he checks down the receiver progression? He seems to lock in and not see everyone he should see.

    Thoughts?



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    I agree. How is that for a thought?



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    Quote Originally Posted by iowast8fan View Post
    I agree. How is that for a thought?
    LOL Yes, that is a thought.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    This is something Meyer definitly needs to improve on, but hey, he has about 2 years left.




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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    It almost feels like he knows where the primary receiver is going to be or should be, but he doesn't know where everyone is suppose to be so he can't progress through his reads and check to the next level. As dangerous as he is with his feet, I think he needs to learn to stay in and step up in the pocket so he has time to look for the second and sometimes third receiver.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    I wonder if they work on that in practice? I assume so, but you'd think you'd see some progress.. He seems scared to make a mistake/throw the int. So, if that primary route isn't open, he either runs or throws it away.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    I think it goes both ways. Last year when he was getting sacked so much we were saying that he should tuck it and run more. This year now that he is running more often we are saying that he should stay in the pocket. We can't have it both ways Cyclone fans. Lets just hope that Meyer and the team can improve week in and week out, and we'll see where we are at the end of the year.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    No, he doesn't check down near enough.

    With that said, even many of the legendary qb's had this "problem" Very few (Marino, very few others) were masters at seeing the whole field (while under pressure), and they couldn't do it every play.

    If a quarterback could aways check down to all their targets, and they had only a mediocre arm, they would practically be unstoppable.

    This is why when a QB has "all day" to make a play, they usually do.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyfan322 View Post
    I think it goes both ways. Last year when he was getting sacked so much we were saying that he should tuck it and run more. This year now that he is running more often we are saying that he should stay in the pocket. We can't have it both ways Cyclone fans. Lets just hope that Meyer and the team can improve week in and week out, and we'll see where we are at the end of the year.
    I agree that we can't have it both ways but he can still be a dual-threat quarterback if he learns the difference between when to stay in the pocket and check to the second receiver and when the play is busted so he can use his feet to make the best out of the play. Teams will still need to prepare for both threats but recognizing the difference will give him the chance to make a lot of big plays to our great receivers.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    I don't think Meyer does a bad job at this. He could of course improve, as could anyone. Last year he didn't have time to progress through the reads and this year I think he is running instead when he feels too much pressure. I really enjoyed seeing his progress at the begining of last year, when he became very reliable at not turning the ball over. His TD to INT ratio is usually quite good.

    Part of what prompted this is probably when ESPN pointed out Nickel was wide open down the middle of the field one play during the Iowa game. Meyer's first read, Blythe, was open for about 15 yards on that play though so I can't fault him for that.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    He just seems to lock in, then if that's not open, tuck and run. Which works ok. But, maybe as the season progresses he'll get better at it.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    Is it a problem checking down? My take is that he has a tough time reading a defensive set, and figuring out which of the <2,3,4> receivers in formation will be in a gap in the defense.

    Last year i was at the CU/ISU game, and i remember ISU coming to the line at their own 35, and looking at the defense, they had a single cornerback on Blythe, who was isolated on the right, and a cornerback and safety on Flynn and whoever the third receiver was on the left, with the strong safety cheating on the running game. The corner on Blythe was lined up 10 yards away and was cheating to the flat side. I remember looking at the defense and thinking "man, if Blythe is on a crossing route, there's nobody that is in position to stop it from being 6 points."

    Play starts, sure enough Blythe is on a cross route, nobody within 10 yards of him, straight across the middle. But Meyer never even looked at him as he streaked across the middle, uncovered. Instead, he went to Flynn on a tough flat play for a two yard gain.

    As Blythe ran open, the whole section i was in started screaming, everyone could see the gap. But Meyer didn't read it at the set. Now i see that more often. I know it takes some time, but it just doesn't seem like he looks at a defense as it lines up, and figures out which receiver is the most likely to be open.


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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    Maybe our coaching staff isn't doing a good job of developing him? I'm not sure. Maybe the reason Seneca was so sucessful was because made things happen more on his own.

    I like Meyer as our QB, I'm just trying to figure out what the deal is.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    Anyone who says Meyer checks down has not looked hard enough. He has a terrible time checking down. It has been a problem since his first start. I noticed two years ago, and hoped it would get better. It was a little better last year, but not nearly where it should be. This year he hasn't shown any improvement. Blame whom ever you want, but this is not a new problem.

    On another note, this problem stems to why he is not throwing downfield. Don't think the defensive backs don't know he is telegraphing passes. They see the tape. They clue in on the receiver, he is smart enough not to throw the bad ball, but not smart enough to look to the next receiver. He runs instead.

    And, to just clear up the previous Seneca comment. Seneca checked down, but we did not have the receivers Brett does, so he had to run more. Brett shouldn't have to run as much as he does.



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    Re: Does Meyer check down?

    Quote Originally Posted by herbicide View Post
    No, he doesn't check down near enough.

    With that said, even many of the legendary qb's had this "problem" Very few (Marino, very few others) were masters at seeing the whole field (while under pressure), and they couldn't do it every play.

    If a quarterback could aways check down to all their targets, and they had only a mediocre arm, they would practically be unstoppable.

    This is why when a QB has "all day" to make a play, they usually do.


    Tom Brady is a master at checking the entire field and throwing to whatever receiver is open.



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