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    Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    I've seen several comments on here, facebook, and twitter, about how the tournament championship is pointless, just a money grab, regular season conference is what really matters.

    So is this just bitter KU fans or what? FWIW I've heard it from none KU fans as well. For every other sport, the post season winner is considered the real champs for the year. No one cares who won the AL or NL, they care about who won the World Series. And its the same with the NFL/Superbowl, NBA/NBA Finals, and NHL/Stanley Cup.

    I get the Big 12 Tournament is just one post season, but if you were to pick the champs of the league, shouldn't it default to the tournament champ like in every other sport. If anything the conference winner should have the asterisk IMO.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    who cares



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Whatever we won last.....that is the real champion.
    Larry Eustachy stressed regular season championships....and that is quite an accomplishment. As much as I loathe the Jayhawk minor-league McDonalds machine....you gotta tip your hat to thier ability to win.
    It is an odd peculiarity of college basketball.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Quote Originally Posted by EnhancedFujita View Post
    I've seen several comments on here, facebook, and twitter, about how the tournament championship is pointless, just a money grab, regular season conference is what really matters.

    So is this just bitter KU fans or what? FWIW I've heard it from none KU fans as well. For every other sport, the post season winner is considered the real champs for the year. No one cares who won the AL or NL, they care about who won the World Series. And its the same with the NFL/Superbowl, NBA/NBA Finals, and NHL/Stanley Cup.

    I get the Big 12 Tournament is just one post season, but if you were to pick the champs of the league, shouldn't it default to the tournament champ like in every other sport. If anything the conference winner should have the asterisk IMO.
    tournaments are all about whos hot and whos not



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Winning the conference tournament is terrific but if I had the choice give me the regular season title. 18 game grind playing round robin over a 3-4 day span of games.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Of course winning the regular season is a bigger achievement.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    regular season >>> tournament

    Unless you're in a non major conference.

    It just means so much more, and is a better measure of just how good a team is.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Quote Originally Posted by BigJCy View Post
    Winning the conference tournament is terrific but if I had the choice give me the regular season title. 18 game grind playing round robin over a 3-4 day span of games.
    I agree with this

    The conference tournaments actually are nothing more than a money grab. A fun money grab, but you have to call it like it is.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    The winner of the regular season has always been considered the conference champion as long as I can remember. Remember everybody making fun of Alfraud because he talked about winning the Big Ten when he meant they won the Big Ten tournament.

    I was surprised all of the banners and signs in the sprint center said "big 12 champions" last night



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Quote Originally Posted by BigJCy View Post
    Winning the conference tournament is terrific but if I had the choice give me the regular season title. 18 game grind playing round robin over a 3-4 day span of games.
    Good post! I would take either, but the hot teams win the tourney and the best team the regular season. I hate when a team like Vermont win reg. title and get knocked out. Not that BIG OF DEAL IN POWER CONFRENCES. Don't really like a team like Cal-Poly getting in.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    I'd say the regular season is a bit more impressive, but the whole point is to be hot and playing well at the end. Give me good play at the end of the season and going into the big dance (+ of course auto bid) every year



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    I know which one is more fun.


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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    When looking back I'd probably prefer the regular season title that's earned after the long grinding schedule, but there's also nothing like the sudden high of that final win in the tournament after surviving the sudden death play-off. Both are great.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Also, lots of stuff in our league seems to be "diminished" by kU fans since they seem to win it every year or very frequently. Winning is a big deal and it's fun.



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    Re: Conference Champ vs Tournament Champ

    Regular season champ tells you more about a team for the season, the tournament can give you a better idea of how a team could perform in the NCAA's.

    Obviously, a regular season can too, but given the dynamic of quick turnarounds, and neutral courts, it gives you a precursor to what really matters, the NCAA tourney. So in my opinion, they both mean something and one could mean more depending on how you look at it.



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