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    Season High

    In Big XII play, and especially over the course of the most recenyt games, Iowa State has allowed an opposing player to get a Season High or 2nd Highest Point Total of the Season. I would really love to see some improved defense, even if that comes at the expense of not scoring 70+ points, which they have done in every game this year

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    Re: Season High

    This is a chronic ISU thing...Dating back to the Johnny Orr days, it always seemed we have left one player just go off on us. It happens across different coaches, different players, different eras, different opposing teams, it is just a crux of being an ISU fan.

    It just seems as there is a player that has his best day against ISU. It is annoying, but it happens what seems all the freakin' time.

    I hate it...



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    Re: Season High

    Yeah, but Dilbo? My Lord, that was a surprise.


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    Re: Season High

    Pretty sure the team has spend most of this week on defense. I look for a nice improvement against TT



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    Re: Season High

    While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

    I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.



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    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

    I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.
    Well, five of those guys on the list are the leading (Wiggins, Heild, Holmes, Anderson) or seconding leading (Fields) scorers, and I do not think Nash would be considered a "playing the odds" guy either.



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    Re: Season High

    I bet TCU was saying the same thing Saturday night.



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    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

    I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.
    A lot of those guys lead their team in scoring.



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    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloner97 View Post
    I would really love to see some improved defense, even if that comes at the expense of not scoring 70+ points
    So you're a fan of ISU basketball circa 1998? If that's what you want to see I suggest you become a UTEP fan.

    Hoiball isn't about defense, it's about our offense overwhelming the opponent's ability to keep up. Hoiball is to men's basketball what Oregon's or Baylor's offense is to football.



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    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Well, five of those guys on the list are the leading (Wiggins, Heild, Holmes, Anderson) or seconding leading (Fields) scorers, and I do not think Nash would be considered a "playing the odds" guy either.
    Not to mention Nash scored quite a few of those points in 3 OTs



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    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Yeah, but Dilbo? My Lord, that was a surprise.
    Dilbo Baggins?



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    Re: Season High

    I mentioned this not so long ago, but here I go again.

    I did this last year where I analyzed the number of players that outscored their average points per game and points per 50 possessions in Big 12 play. What I found was players outscored their averages per game in part because of more possessions against ISU and in part because it was usually guys that scored less making those increases (a product of Fred's defensive scheme to get the non high scorers to do the work). Here's the article from last year: Scoring Outbursts & Their Victims 2.0 |

    I planned to do it again later this year but since it came up I quick ran some numbers. I'll go into more detail in a couple of weeks or so, but:

    This is the number of times a team allowed an opposing player to score 50% more than their average:

    Oklahoma State 39
    West Virginia 37
    Oklahoma 37
    Iowa State 36
    TCU 35
    Texas 31
    Texas Tech 28
    Baylor 28
    Kansas 25
    Kansas State 20

    This is the number of times teams have allowed opposing players to score 75% above their average:

    Oklahoma State 20
    West Virginia 18
    Texas 17
    Baylor 16
    TCU 15
    Oklahoma 14
    Texas Tech 12
    Iowa State 12
    Kansas 9
    Kansas State 6

    When you consider tempo, this is the number of times players have scored 50% over their points per 50 possession average:

    TCU 41
    West Virginia 34
    Oklahoma 34
    Baylor 32
    Texas Tech 31
    Iowa State 28
    Oklahoma State 27
    Texas 26
    Kansas 22
    Kansas State 21

    And the number of times opposing players have scored 75% over their average points per 50 possessions:

    TCU 14
    Texas 12
    West Virginia 12
    Baylor 12
    Texas Tech 11
    Oklahoma State 11
    Iowa State 10
    Kansas 6
    Oklahoma 6
    Kansas State 5

    I'll go into more details in a couple of weeks with the full write-up but I think that generally discredits the thought that opposing players go off against ISU. Granted, this totally ignores the "season high" aspect of what is often talked about but the numbers show opposing players aren't rising up against ISU nearly as much as the general consensus would indicate.




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    Re: Season High

    Thanks! I think we only point this out when we lose. ...And we lose because we take quick shots that don't go in and give the other team more possessions. I doubt anyone would point this out if we won by shooting out normal percentage.


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    Re: Season High

    There you go again, Kirk, ruining all of our fun with your so-called facts.







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    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    I mentioned this not so long ago, but here I go again.

    I did this last year where I analyzed the number of players that outscored their average points per game and points per 50 possessions in Big 12 play. What I found was players outscored their averages per game in part because of more possessions against ISU and in part because it was usually guys that scored less making those increases (a product of Fred's defensive scheme to get the non high scorers to do the work). Here's the article from last year: Scoring Outbursts & Their Victims 2.0 |

    I planned to do it again later this year but since it came up I quick ran some numbers. I'll go into more detail in a couple of weeks or so, but:

    This is the number of times a team allowed an opposing player to score 50% more than their average:

    Oklahoma State 39
    West Virginia 37
    Oklahoma 37
    Iowa State 36
    TCU 35
    Texas 31
    Texas Tech 28
    Baylor 28
    Kansas 25
    Kansas State 20

    This is the number of times teams have allowed opposing players to score 75% above their average:

    Oklahoma State 20
    West Virginia 18
    Texas 17
    Baylor 16
    TCU 15
    Oklahoma 14
    Texas Tech 12
    Iowa State 12
    Kansas 9
    Kansas State 6

    When you consider tempo, this is the number of times players have scored 50% over their points per 50 possession average:

    TCU 41
    West Virginia 34
    Oklahoma 34
    Baylor 32
    Texas Tech 31
    Iowa State 28
    Oklahoma State 27
    Texas 26
    Kansas 22
    Kansas State 21

    And the number of times opposing players have scored 75% over their average points per 50 possessions:

    TCU 14
    Texas 12
    West Virginia 12
    Baylor 12
    Texas Tech 11
    Oklahoma State 11
    Iowa State 10
    Kansas 6
    Oklahoma 6
    Kansas State 5

    I'll go into more details in a couple of weeks with the full write-up but I think that generally discredits the thought that opposing players go off against ISU. Granted, this totally ignores the "season high" aspect of what is often talked about but the numbers show opposing players aren't rising up against ISU nearly as much as the general consensus would indicate.
    The balls on this guy, ruining one of my favorite myths of Cyclone basketball! Guess I will be going back to the "Cowgirl is not hiding in the bathroom" reason for losses, then.


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