Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 17

Thread: Season High

  1. #1
    Starter
    Points: 19,518, Level: 42
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 332
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    965
    Points
    19,518
    Level
    42
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Season High

    In Big XII play, and especially over the course of the most recenyt games, Iowa State has allowed an opposing player to get a Season High or 2nd Highest Point Total of the Season. I would really love to see some improved defense, even if that comes at the expense of not scoring 70+ points, which they have done in every game this year

    Most recents
    WVA-Dibo-20-Season High
    TCU-Anderson-27-2nd Most
    Fields-18-2nd Most
    OSU-Nash-26-2nd Most
    OU-Hield-30-Season High
    KU-Wiggins-29-Season High
    Tex-Holmes-23-Season High
    KU-Tharpe-23-Season high



  2. #2
    Starter
    Points: 14,700, Level: 36
    Level completed: 82%, Points required for next Level: 150
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    704
    Points
    14,700
    Level
    36
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 71
    Given: 2

    Re: Season High

    This is a chronic ISU thing...Dating back to the Johnny Orr days, it always seemed we have left one player just go off on us. It happens across different coaches, different players, different eras, different opposing teams, it is just a crux of being an ISU fan.

    It just seems as there is a player that has his best day against ISU. It is annoying, but it happens what seems all the freakin' time.

    I hate it...



  3. #3
    Speechless
    Points: 433,436, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 57.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialOverdriveVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Wesley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Omaha
    Posts
    64,874
    Points
    433,436
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,468
    Given: 1,111

    Re: Season High

    Yeah, but Dilbo? My Lord, that was a surprise.


    Let my New Coach's Posse Ride: Georges, 3sus, Hallice, Deonte, Dustin, Abdel, Monte, Matt, and McKaT.

  4. #4
    Speechless
    Points: 785,039, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 56.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    Cyclonepride's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    A pineapple under the sea
    Posts
    53,573
    Points
    785,039
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,356
    Given: 2,406

    Re: Season High

    Pretty sure the team has spend most of this week on defense. I look for a nice improvement against TT



  5. #5
    Pro
    Points: 62,437, Level: 77
    Level completed: 50%, Points required for next Level: 813
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    intrepid27's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Marion, IA
    Posts
    2,815
    Points
    62,437
    Level
    77
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 258
    Given: 321

    Re: Season High

    While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

    I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.



    "We don't have thugs." - Fran McCaffery

  6. #6
    Legend
    Points: 176,584, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 27.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Here nor there
    Posts
    14,097
    Points
    176,584
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,279
    Given: 1,629

    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

    I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.
    Well, five of those guys on the list are the leading (Wiggins, Heild, Holmes, Anderson) or seconding leading (Fields) scorers, and I do not think Nash would be considered a "playing the odds" guy either.



  7. #7
    Addict
    Points: 108,042, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 6.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    Clonefan94's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Schaumburg, IL
    Posts
    7,011
    Points
    108,042
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 701
    Given: 437

    Re: Season High

    I bet TCU was saying the same thing Saturday night.



  8. #8
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 55,737, Level: 73
    Level completed: 13%, Points required for next Level: 1,313
    Overall activity: 5.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    roundball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    3,562
    Points
    55,737
    Level
    73
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,611
    Given: 1,709

    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by intrepid27 View Post
    While I agree this is post worthy, it is usually not the opponents top one or two scorers. Fred will play the odds. If you are a crappy 3 pt shooter you will get all the open looks you want. Hoiberg's D will always focus more on top two scorers.

    I'd venture that our opponents top scorer will be well below his average against us. Pick your poison. Do you want the odds that the other teams stud will beat you if you don't key on him, or that one of the role players goes off.
    A lot of those guys lead their team in scoring.



  9. #9
    Bench Warmer
    Points: 7,816, Level: 26
    Level completed: 45%, Points required for next Level: 334
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    5000 Experience Points3 months registered

    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    342
    Points
    7,816
    Level
    26
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 127
    Given: 43

    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloner97 View Post
    I would really love to see some improved defense, even if that comes at the expense of not scoring 70+ points
    So you're a fan of ISU basketball circa 1998? If that's what you want to see I suggest you become a UTEP fan.

    Hoiball isn't about defense, it's about our offense overwhelming the opponent's ability to keep up. Hoiball is to men's basketball what Oregon's or Baylor's offense is to football.



  10. #10
    All-Star
    Points: 29,452, Level: 52
    Level completed: 73%, Points required for next Level: 298
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Recommendation Second ClassVeteran25000 Experience Points
    Cyclones01's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    1,784
    Points
    29,452
    Level
    52
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 209
    Given: 466

    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Well, five of those guys on the list are the leading (Wiggins, Heild, Holmes, Anderson) or seconding leading (Fields) scorers, and I do not think Nash would be considered a "playing the odds" guy either.
    Not to mention Nash scored quite a few of those points in 3 OTs



  11. #11
    All-Star
    Points: 33,856, Level: 56
    Level completed: 68%, Points required for next Level: 394
    Overall activity: 19.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points
    ThurgoodMarshal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Ankeny, IA
    Posts
    1,654
    Points
    33,856
    Level
    56
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 595
    Given: 1,778

    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Yeah, but Dilbo? My Lord, that was a surprise.
    Dilbo Baggins?



  12. #12
    Pro
    Points: 85,892, Level: 91
    Level completed: 18%, Points required for next Level: 1,558
    Overall activity: 6.0%
    Achievements:
    Your first GroupVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience Points
    khaal53's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,617
    Points
    85,892
    Level
    91
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 182
    Given: 3

    Re: Season High

    I mentioned this not so long ago, but here I go again.

    I did this last year where I analyzed the number of players that outscored their average points per game and points per 50 possessions in Big 12 play. What I found was players outscored their averages per game in part because of more possessions against ISU and in part because it was usually guys that scored less making those increases (a product of Fred's defensive scheme to get the non high scorers to do the work). Here's the article from last year: Scoring Outbursts & Their Victims 2.0 |

    I planned to do it again later this year but since it came up I quick ran some numbers. I'll go into more detail in a couple of weeks or so, but:

    This is the number of times a team allowed an opposing player to score 50% more than their average:

    Oklahoma State 39
    West Virginia 37
    Oklahoma 37
    Iowa State 36
    TCU 35
    Texas 31
    Texas Tech 28
    Baylor 28
    Kansas 25
    Kansas State 20

    This is the number of times teams have allowed opposing players to score 75% above their average:

    Oklahoma State 20
    West Virginia 18
    Texas 17
    Baylor 16
    TCU 15
    Oklahoma 14
    Texas Tech 12
    Iowa State 12
    Kansas 9
    Kansas State 6

    When you consider tempo, this is the number of times players have scored 50% over their points per 50 possession average:

    TCU 41
    West Virginia 34
    Oklahoma 34
    Baylor 32
    Texas Tech 31
    Iowa State 28
    Oklahoma State 27
    Texas 26
    Kansas 22
    Kansas State 21

    And the number of times opposing players have scored 75% over their average points per 50 possessions:

    TCU 14
    Texas 12
    West Virginia 12
    Baylor 12
    Texas Tech 11
    Oklahoma State 11
    Iowa State 10
    Kansas 6
    Oklahoma 6
    Kansas State 5

    I'll go into more details in a couple of weeks with the full write-up but I think that generally discredits the thought that opposing players go off against ISU. Granted, this totally ignores the "season high" aspect of what is often talked about but the numbers show opposing players aren't rising up against ISU nearly as much as the general consensus would indicate.




    I'm on Twitter: @khaal53

  13. #13
    Addict
    Points: 124,462, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 40.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience Points1 year registered
    mtowncyclone13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    9,751
    Points
    124,462
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,961
    Given: 1,432

    Re: Season High

    Thanks! I think we only point this out when we lose. ...And we lose because we take quick shots that don't go in and give the other team more possessions. I doubt anyone would point this out if we won by shooting out normal percentage.


    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneRulzzz View Post
    mtown is among the worst to ever play this game.

  14. #14
    Speechless
    Points: 310,682, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    VeloClone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Brooklyn Park, MN
    Posts
    17,774
    Points
    310,682
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,730
    Given: 7,316

    Re: Season High

    There you go again, Kirk, ruining all of our fun with your so-called facts.







    "There are five real good recruits in the state. We got three of them. One couldn’t get into school, and the other went to (the University of) Iowa...which is about the same thing." - Coach Johnny Orr

  15. #15
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 83,392, Level: 89
    Level completed: 81%, Points required for next Level: 358
    Overall activity: 3.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    Die4Cy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    3,693
    Points
    83,392
    Level
    89
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 912
    Given: 919

    Re: Season High

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    I mentioned this not so long ago, but here I go again.

    I did this last year where I analyzed the number of players that outscored their average points per game and points per 50 possessions in Big 12 play. What I found was players outscored their averages per game in part because of more possessions against ISU and in part because it was usually guys that scored less making those increases (a product of Fred's defensive scheme to get the non high scorers to do the work). Here's the article from last year: Scoring Outbursts & Their Victims 2.0 |

    I planned to do it again later this year but since it came up I quick ran some numbers. I'll go into more detail in a couple of weeks or so, but:

    This is the number of times a team allowed an opposing player to score 50% more than their average:

    Oklahoma State 39
    West Virginia 37
    Oklahoma 37
    Iowa State 36
    TCU 35
    Texas 31
    Texas Tech 28
    Baylor 28
    Kansas 25
    Kansas State 20

    This is the number of times teams have allowed opposing players to score 75% above their average:

    Oklahoma State 20
    West Virginia 18
    Texas 17
    Baylor 16
    TCU 15
    Oklahoma 14
    Texas Tech 12
    Iowa State 12
    Kansas 9
    Kansas State 6

    When you consider tempo, this is the number of times players have scored 50% over their points per 50 possession average:

    TCU 41
    West Virginia 34
    Oklahoma 34
    Baylor 32
    Texas Tech 31
    Iowa State 28
    Oklahoma State 27
    Texas 26
    Kansas 22
    Kansas State 21

    And the number of times opposing players have scored 75% over their average points per 50 possessions:

    TCU 14
    Texas 12
    West Virginia 12
    Baylor 12
    Texas Tech 11
    Oklahoma State 11
    Iowa State 10
    Kansas 6
    Oklahoma 6
    Kansas State 5

    I'll go into more details in a couple of weeks with the full write-up but I think that generally discredits the thought that opposing players go off against ISU. Granted, this totally ignores the "season high" aspect of what is often talked about but the numbers show opposing players aren't rising up against ISU nearly as much as the general consensus would indicate.
    The balls on this guy, ruining one of my favorite myths of Cyclone basketball! Guess I will be going back to the "Cowgirl is not hiding in the bathroom" reason for losses, then.


    Creator of "Niang-ing."

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: Cyclones.TV
  • FOOTBALL: Iowa State vs. UNI
  • September 5, 2015
  • 07:00 PM