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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    I agree that our admin is taking most of the heat in this process. It sounds like some of you know some of the people that I do. There is just certain information that came out as this has continued that has changed Bubu's status with the team over the past year and a half or so. I do believe with all my heart that our admin has tried to do the best for all parties without hurting more people. It's easy to sit where we are with little to no information and flame away on a message board, but it's not easy for those close to this situation to make decisions knowing the facts as they do. I trust Pollard and Leath more now than I did a month ago.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nycclone View Post
    And this is why he won't see the court. It is not because he is not good enough to play. It is because the university is mad he went to an administrative law judge when he could have had his case heard before a university panel. And after the university overturned the horrible decision by the admin law judge who dared to find the case against Bubu unfounded, the president of the university did the honorable thing and overruled alj's decision. Of course Bubu did not learn and appealed the decision when another idiot judge agreed with him. And those meanies on the state supreme court wouldn't step in and stop this nonsense.

    In the end though, it is all ok because Fred and everyone else in the university knows that we can't let Bubu play because he did something really, really bad. What that is, none of us really knows for sure since the university doesn't want to release that information but it must be true because smart people in the university who obviously know better then those idiots in the courts who just want to mess with our perfectly run university.

    That's pretty much the gist of it correct? Or am I missing something?
    Bubu potentially stands to make a lot of money when he sues ISU's prez for "undue influence" based upon hearsay. Imagine the scandal of dragging Freddy, Prez, and others into a civil court? Who will win in the end? The Prez and his informants potentially stand to lose.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by singsing View Post
    If you trust university officials he wouldn't be on the team....it was a court order that overruled their decision...doesn't matter he won't see the court...
    I do not trust "university officials."



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    Bubu potentially stands to make a lot of money when he sues ISU's prez for "undue influence" based upon hearsay. Imagine the scandal of dragging Freddy, Prez, and others into a civil court? Who will win in the end? The Prez and his informants potentially stand to lose.
    No chance this will happen.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    Bubu potentially stands to make a lot of money when he sues ISU's prez for "undue influence" based upon hearsay. Imagine the scandal of dragging Freddy, Prez, and others into a civil court? Who will win in the end? The Prez and his informants potentially stand to lose.
    Wait, did bubu say he is going to sue isu? why does he have to involve the stupid courts with everything? Isu gave his dad a good job. Isu let him keep his scholarship. So ungrateful he is.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nycclone View Post
    Wait, did bubu say he is going to sue isu? why does he have to involve the stupid courts with everything? Isu gave his dad a good job. Isu let him keep his scholarship. So ungrateful he is.
    What part of "potential" do you not understand ... Or do you just like to blurt off?

    To help you ... "Bubu might stand to make" (IF he sues).


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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    What part of "potential" do you not understand ... Or do you just like to blurt off?

    To help you ... "Bubu might stand to make" (IF he sues).
    If you're going to argue semantics, you did say WHEN he sues, which implies the definitive that it will happen.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madclone1 View Post
    What part of "potential" do you not understand ... Or do you just like to blurt off?

    To help you ... "Bubu might stand to make" (IF he sues).
    you might want to read your own post again.


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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by RoseClone View Post
    you might want to read your own post again.
    Ok. It is clear to me but I will concede the syntax point (given finger tapping on my I phone and economizing on words) ... I still think the Prez is on shaky legal grounds ... Especially when it comes to this whole Bubu matter. IF sued, it will be messy.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Enough already. My purpose in starting this thread was just to ask if Bubu plays this year. I should have know better that this would evolve into another debacle of a discussion. Mod's.....please close my thread. This has gotten too ridiculous.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by stateofmind View Post
    No chance this will happen.
    I agree. I don't see Bubu wanting to re-hash the incident in detail in open court. I think he moves on.


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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    I can see Bubu playing in certain situations at the end of the game when we absolutely need a stop. Although his game is sure to be rusty, he is still likely to be one of the best defenders on the team, especially against big/strong guards.


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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by ketelmeister View Post
    Is anyone else getting tired of this...he is on the team. I trust our coach and University officials.
    You are just one person. Everyone sees it different. I actually think we could use him against faster guards at the end of games.


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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?

    from singsing: Legally I don't know all the facts as to what Bubu did to get himself in this situation, but enough people with character I respect do, and they're not happy he's representing Iowa State.

    My response: I'm not as confident in the character of some of the officials as you are. Were the decisions made based on politics, big money donors, actual facts in the case, or some other reason? Those same "people of character" allowed a convicted criminal and an accused individual to participate in athletics with only a game or two suspension. Bubu served a half season suspension even though all charges against him were dropped. Additionally, an administrative judge ruled that the ISU conduct violation charges against him were unfounded. How much more should someone be punished when both criminal complaint and conduct violation complaint were found to be without merit by impartial entities?

    Read what the appeals court judge wrote when he stayed the dismissal of Bubu from the team.

    Quote Originally Posted by singsing View Post
    And Sam Mack didn't rob a Burger King....believe what you want....The court system and the media are a joke...someone sat in a room with the victim and heard something ethically wrong or this would never have been an issue. Where there's smoke there's fire...There are so many things that are completely legal, but ethically stink and as a university of higher education I expect higher standards from our student athletes and running around in the middle of the night picking up girls who are impaired doesn't fly with me and I don't want them representing Iowa State. I applaud the Georges Niangs and Melvin Ejims who are excellent representatives. Bubu should never have appealed the decision of the university and honed up to his mistake. period. He won't see the floor. I know Fred and he has very strong ethics....it won't happen guaranteed.
    You entered this thread with the top quote, and now you are making comparisons to Sam Mack? The issue was never whether or not Bubu had sex with the woman; he never claimed he didn't. The issue was whether or not it was consensual. You may have come from a different era (as presumed by the Sam Mack reference), but gals & guys hooking up for one-nighters is a common occurence. And (newsflash) it's not always the guy's idea. Legal? Yes. Ethically fragrant? Matter of opinion.

    You then segue into a condemnation of the courts and media, leading me to believe there might be some negative bias against the court system behind your rant. Someone (actually, several someones) sat in the room with the accuser and did hear something ethically wrong...she lied and falsified evidence of a forcible rape. You trust people you originally intimated that you "know", but now seem to know "about" more than personal friendship, people whose jobs are political in nature, and trust their presumably impeccable judgement in legal/moral matters, yet you don't trust an administrative judge or an appeals court judge who have years of legal experience and are presumably impartial.

    Now you claim to "know" the coach, and say that he has strong ethics, and he will never let Bubu play. For the record, Bubu played for about half of the 2012/2013 season after the charges were dropped, WITH the approval of CFH.

    Where there's smoke, there's fire? You are clearly arguing from an emotional point of view.



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    Re: Will Bubu See the floor this season?



    You can be right with the criminal code and still be in violation of the student code. If Bubu admitted to a violation of the student code anywhere along the line to a university official, they would be obligated to deal with it, or risk the student code being totally meaningless. I realize most students probably already believe that to be the case, but I am sure administrators believe differently, and with good reason.

    If there were evidence (texts, photos, or an admission by the party) of an admitted violation of the student code--i.e. taking advantage of an inebriated student--the university would not necessarily look the other way, despite the knowledge that it happens all the time elsewhere on campus. Understanding that, a university official might attempt to create a punishment that allows the student to stay on campus under scholarship but take something else of value away in return, his position on the team. I would expect the head basketball coach would have input on this decision, and might even agree with it if he wanted the kid--by all accounts a good one--to finish his degree at ISU. This attempt to allow the student to stay at school to complete his degree becomes the problem.

    Do I know that this is what happened? Of course not. But it is much more plausible than suggestions by some that big money donors or the AD and university president have it in for one of the basketball players. They just don't cite student code violations without proof of cheating, misconduct, or whatever.


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