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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneinWDSM View Post
    Maybe it's a trend. I played catcher throughout high school and a wooden bat league. I'm definitely not a rocket scientists. It's just a lot about knowing the sport and situations.
    If you know the game, you can be a solid catcher. I bet if you looked it up (and I am too lazy to do so), a good percentage of big league managers are catchers in their past life. I'm thinking Scosia, Girardi, Matheny, Baylor, just off the top of my head.



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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiAIRBHG View Post
    If you know the game, you can be a solid catcher. I bet if you looked it up (and I am too lazy to do so), a good percentage of big league managers are catchers in their past life. I'm thinking Scosia, Girardi, Matheny, Baylor, just off the top of my head.

    Catchers do make some of the best managers. Know they don't have to be rocket scientists but they do need to think the game more than anyone on the field. For that reason, catcher isn't a spot teams absolutely need to get offense from. Many of the best catcher bats are moved from the position because it is so taxing on the body and the offense goes bad. Also, if the bat is that good, why risk having to give a day or two off per week? In the NL there is no DH to give a guy a break defensively. Bryant ultimately will end up in the OF in my opinion. That isn't a hard transition.


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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    So if you could get a future ace prospect for a future...mmm...lets say 5 time all star. You wouldn't make that trade?

    Especially when we have the bats already to potentially win a world series without Baez, but Arrieta as our only future starting pitcher?
    Potential is all we have at this point. Remind me who is hitting .300 or has 30 HR ina season at the Major league level. Not much trade value there. Pitching will have to be developed within or bought. We are not getting an ace for any of our bats at this time. As much as I like Castro, he is a 3X All-Star because he plays for the cubs and someone has to make it.

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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    The debate between shortstops and catchers isn't who's smarter, the debate is who is more important to a team.

    Girardi was probably smarter than Mike Piazza. Who would you rather have on your team? Piazza, because he was more talented.

    The catcher is an important position for gameplay. You need to be smart and you need to study the game to be a good catcher.

    But a shortstop has to have gifts that you can't "study."


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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by CYF5 View Post
    Potential is all we have at this point. Remind me who is hitting .300 or has 30 HR ina season at the Major league level. Not much trade value there. Pitching will have to be developed within or bought. We are not getting an ace for any of our bats at this time. As much as I like Castro, he is a 3X All-Star because he plays for the cubs and someone has to make it.

    Can't wait for 2016!
    This!

    The best pitchers we could get for our top prospects would be developmental guys or 3rd slot pitchers at best, NOT front line starters. We will want/need guys like Scherzer, Cueto, Lester, Shields, Homer Bailey...

    Keep the current top bats.


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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiAIRBHG View Post
    If you know the game, you can be a solid catcher. I bet if you looked it up (and I am too lazy to do so), a good percentage of big league managers are catchers in their past life. I'm thinking Scosia, Girardi, Matheny, Baylor, just off the top of my head.
    I think I read something on Grantland about this. It's disproportionately higher.



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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    This!

    The best pitchers we could get for our top prospects would be developmental guys or 3rd slot pitchers at best, NOT front line starters. We will want/need guys like Scherzer, Cueto, Lester, Shields, Homer Bailey...

    Keep the current top bats.
    I agree with this. However, if the opportunity presented itself this off season (Baez for a #1 starter), the Cubs most definitely should pull the trigger. Again, I agree the chance of another team agreeing to that trade is slim.



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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    This!

    The best pitchers we could get for our top prospects would be developmental guys or 3rd slot pitchers at best, NOT front line starters. We will want/need guys like Scherzer, Cueto, Lester, Shields, Homer Bailey...

    Keep the current top bats.
    The Cubs could put together a package right now to get any pitcher they wanted. Look at what Price just went for. The Cubs could put together an offer that would blow away any team, it wouldn't be smart for Chicago, but no one is turning down an offer of any combo of Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell.



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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Hope we are able to move Baez for Samardzija.























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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by CyJack13 View Post
    The Cubs could put together a package right now to get any pitcher they wanted. Look at what Price just went for. The Cubs could put together an offer that would blow away any team, it wouldn't be smart for Chicago, but no one is turning down an offer of any combo of Baez/Bryant/Soler/Russell.

    I would be so ****** if they offered up any combo of those guys. My point was that I didn't think we could get a guy like Price for just one of them.


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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbuk View Post
    Haha neither am I.
    True. We are suffering from a real lack of rocket scientists.


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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by theantiAIRBHG View Post
    If you know the game, you can be a solid catcher. I bet if you looked it up (and I am too lazy to do so), a good percentage of big league managers are catchers in their past life. I'm thinking Scosia, Girardi, Matheny, Baylor, just off the top of my head.
    Mike Redmond

    Terry Steinbach is also a coach for the Twins, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him take a manager's job in the next few years.


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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCubswin View Post
    I'd trade Baez ALL DAY. Castro is not only proven but he's cheap. Who knows how much Baez would cost when his contract comes up. Reaching 3 All Star games is hard to achieve for any MLBer, and Castro's done it at just 24.
    Let's not pretend the Cubs are the KC Royals and are stretched for payroll. If Baez performs, they can pay him. With that, why do we need to trade him for pitching? Just sign a couple of free agents within the next 24 months and you get the best of both worlds.



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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    Let's not pretend the Cubs are the KC Royals and are stretched for payroll. If Baez performs, they can pay him. With that, why do we need to trade him for pitching? Just sign a couple of free agents within the next 24 months and you get the best of both worlds.
    Exactly, elite, cost controlled talent is the most valuable commodity in baseball and the Cubs are in position to possibly have a surplus of this kind of player, even if one or two of their big five prospects wash out. That puts them in a position to be able to spend a lot of money on pitching. They also have a lot of depth in their minor league system to move to get a big time pitcher near the end of his deal who they can then pay to extend.



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    Re: 2014 Chicago Cubs

    Hopefully Cubs fans will be patient cause I fully expect Baez to struggle badly at times. The strikeout numbers could be UGLY. But he will also show you flashes of the unreal power and bat speed he has. Either way think it will be good for him to get adjusted to 2 months in the majors and hopefully starting next season he will be ready to roll.



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