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    Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    God I hate that stupid grin that Self always has on his face.

    Anyways, KU has KU talent and tradition, not too hard to be successful. But self has taken 2 programs to the NCAA title game. But he has also pooped the bed to some double digit seeds with that KU talent.

    Fred has turned around a program circling the toilet, but has yet to get past the round of 32.

    What say you?



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    You can't argue against Self right now. Give it 15-20 years.


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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Quote Originally Posted by BloodyBuddy View Post
    God I hate that stupid grin that Self always has on his face.

    Anyways, KU has KU talent and tradition, not too hard to be successful. But self has taken 2 programs to the NCAA title game. But he has also pooped the bed to some double digit seeds with that KU talent.

    Fred has turned around a program circling the toilet, but has yet to get past the round of 32.

    What say you?
    Overall I like Self. He's fun to play against and he's obviously a very talented coach and recruiter. I don't know why we need to compare him to Fred, who's only in his third year of coaching.

    I'm glad Self is at KU, and I'm glad Fred is at ISU because it means we get to see these two excellent coaches face off twice a year.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Insufficient data to say definitively.

    Until Fred can start taking away the conference titles from Self, I have to say that Bill is getting it done. However, I'm perfectly happy with the coach we have.


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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    I thought CFH outcoached Self last night. Impressive considering the difference in experience. Exchange coaches and what do you think the margin of victory would be????



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    This shouldn't even be a question. I love Fred and I think he has a great future in coaching at ISU but right now is undoubtedly Bill Self.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Self.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    All I know is that I wouldn't trade.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Give Fred a year or two when the talent level is comparable and then we can talk. Right now, Self has the players and experience.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Self for sure. Dreamy just started coaching and maybe could catch up, but he's got a lot of championships to get first.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Self but only because he has a bigger body of work. If CFH stays long enough, he could surpass him.



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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Right now, Self.
    Fred can tie this up or pass him eventually, but Self has a huge pile of accomplishments under his belt right now that Fred is still working on.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
    Make this one for the ages!




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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    How far in the tourney's did Self's teams go before he was able to inherit the McD AA parade at UK? It would be an interesting head to head comparison to Fred.


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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Is this a serious question? I love Fred, don't get me wrong, but Self has been successful every single place he has been. He has also been more successful, year in and out, at Kansas than a lot of other coaches there.


    Now that MBB is back, do we still have to pretend that WBB matters?

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    Re: Better Coach - Self or Dreamy

    Quote Originally Posted by CTTB78 View Post
    How far in the tourney's did Self's teams go before he was able to inherit the McD AA parade at UK? It would be an interesting head to head comparison to Fred.
    I can't stand Self and I think Fred will be a better coach when it is all said and done, BUT two things:

    Self has never coached at UK. He coaches at KU. UK is Kentucky.
    Self went to Elite 8 with Tulsa and Illinois before he got to Kansas. He is a great coach and has done more with the players there than Roy Williams did.

    I wouldn't trade them for the world. Fred is what is right about College Basketball. He doesn't constantly whine at the officials and throw a tirade like Self does. Just imagine if Self got screwed as much as ISU has. Fred has shown more class than Self time and time again.



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