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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    I don't know who exerted the pressure, but someone is responsible for forcing Leath into addressing the Bubu issue in a manner different from other similar situations in the athletics department at ISU. People can come up with whatever theory about who or why, but I doubt we ever find out.


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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Or, again maybe they just felt (right or wrong) they wanted to make the decision.



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by Die4Cy View Post
    I don't know who exerted the pressure, but someone is responsible for forcing Leath into addressing the Bubu issue in a manner different from other similar situations in the athletics department at ISU. People can come up with whatever theory about who or why, but I doubt we ever find out.
    This is the part that makes me wonder as well. I don't know how you can justify the outcome of the Bubu situation with Albert Gary, other than there was some external pressure placed on JP/Leath. Leath took office January 16, 2012 and Gary plead guilty on April 16th, 2012 to a Class C felony as well as going armed with intent. The guy got 3 years of probation and had to report to a halfway house. I can't think of any rationalization for him being allowed to compete but Bubu, having never been found guilty in any way, violated the Code of Conduct and couldn't play...



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by mikem View Post
    Oh Lord, you just ensured that a segment of Cyclone fans on this board will now never support Fred again. Say the "O" word, and we will have people in full revolt demanding his removal.

    Edit: As you can see by above post, it has already started
    It would work in the other direction too, I'm sure you realize.



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonefan32 View Post
    This is the part that makes me wonder as well. I don't know how you can justify the outcome of the Bubu situation with Albert Gary, other than there was some external pressure placed on JP/Leath. Leath took office January 16, 2012 and Gary plead guilty on April 16th, 2012 to a Class C felony as well as going armed with intent. The guy got 3 years of probation and had to report to a halfway house. I can't think of any rationalization for him being allowed to compete but Bubu, having never been found guilty in any way, violated the Code of Conduct and couldn't play...
    There is no doubt that there was external pressure, Leath has said so himself. Trying insinuate it was Harkin or his wife is just ridiculous.




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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    anyone ever get a response from JP? I thought somone was going to email to get the details of the Gag Order?



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    [QUOTE=Cardinal2001;3824022]It would work in the other direction too, I'm sure you realize.[/QUOTE

    NEVER to the extent that it would for Obama. ODS is a way of life for so damn many people.



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Aw, come on, let's keep politics out of here. CFer's, Hoiberg's, and the players' politics are not relevant here.

    I guarantee many posters, coaches, and players have political views you (meaning anyone) don't agree with, no matter what they are. Many people can't accept that so might as well just ignore it completely.


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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Some people in here are so stupid it's astounding. I'm surprised there isn't someone on here saying Obama caused Bubu to get kicked off.
    There is a reason that other player like Gary aren't kicked off. There hasn't been someone that has that appealed the decision to let them play. Let alone one that went all the way to Leath. He is a president that has to think about the university's image, liability. Etc. so you can see why he might make the decision he did. It doesn't take a conspiracy to see how he came to his decision,



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by rholtgraves View Post
    Some people in here are so stupid it's astounding. I'm surprised there isn't someone on here saying Obama caused Bubu to get kicked off.
    There is a reason that other player like Gary aren't kicked off. There hasn't been someone that has that appealed the decision to let them play. Let alone one that went all the way to Leath. He is a president that has to think about the university's image, liability. Etc. so you can see why he might make the decision he did. It doesn't take a conspiracy to see how he came to his decision,
    Precedent is an important issue here. Whether it is right or wrong you generally have to follow previous decisions. For example if I stole $50, was caught, and wasn't punished. Someone else then stole $5 and got caught. While still wrong, unless some legislative rule changes they should get no punishment.



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by Dingus View Post
    Aw, come on, let's keep politics out of here. CFer's, Hoiberg's, and the players' politics are not relevant here.

    I guarantee many posters, coaches, and players have political views you (meaning anyone) don't agree with, no matter what they are. Many people can't accept that so might as well just ignore it completely.
    I agree with you and I regret reacting when the poster tried to lay this mess at Mrs. Harkin's doorstep, which is waaay out there, and apparently waaaay off. This is most likely a case of Dr. Leath just making a very poor decision. Maybe he was pressured from someone at the BOR, but what would anybody there have against BuBu? I don't think that happened, but if it did we should have a president who does what's right for his students and not a political puppet, which I don't know is the case at all. Bottom line is it was just a very bad decision that was handled so differently from not only Albert Gary but more recently David Irving, very differently. I don't see how this can end in anything but disaster for ISU and especially ISU athletics if this proceeds to a trial. But if that's what it takes to expose some bad apples in this fiasco, it may be good for ISU in the long run.



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by RayShimley View Post
    This might be the most ridiculous post on a topic that has seen some of the most ridiculous posts in CF history...so congrats!
    Hey Ray, thanks so much for your nice post! :) It will be "ridiculous" to watch this one play out and then learn later what really happened!



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by CHAKAZULU View Post
    Mrs Harkin did not participate in the vote to deny Bubu's appeal to the BOR. She was not present at the December 04th meeting. Remember we have 9 members in the BOR and it was stated that all 8 board members present at the meeting voted against Bubu.
    Check the facts. You can hear from the roll call that she wasn't present when the roll call was taken by going to the BOR site, but I'm told from an apparent reliable source that she was present when the BOR went into their closed session to review the Palo situation.



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    Re: ISU Gag Order??

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneAlta View Post
    Check the facts. You can hear from the roll call that she wasn't present when the roll call was taken by going to the BOR site, but I'm told from an apparent reliable source that she was present when the BOR went into their closed session to review the Palo situation.
    Illuminati. I believe you.



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