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    Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Roger Goodell says PATs could be abolished - ESPN

    You know, if he hates the game that much, why doesn't he just do something else for a living?


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    I love PAT's and 2PC's. Screw Goodell!


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    meh. First off, it isn't very likely to happen. Second, Oh no! Replace one of the most boring plays in the game with something more exciting? How could he even suggest it!?!


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    meh. First off, it isn't very likely to happen. Second, Oh no! Replace one of the most boring plays in the game with something more exciting? How could he even suggest it!?!
    Is it broke? No - but then again when has that ever stopped Goodell from trying to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed?


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Is it broke? No - but then again when has that ever stopped Goodell from trying to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed?
    Look at the NFL's ratings and income. He seems to be doing a good job of fixing something that isn't broken.

    Also, it's business, show me a company that takes an "if it's not broke don't fix it," approach, and I'll show you a stagnant company.


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    Look at the NFL's ratings and income. He seems to be doing a good job of fixing something that isn't broken.
    You mean it wasn't a $$$ train under Tagliabue?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    You mean it wasn't a $$$ train under Tagliabue?
    NFL total revenue in Tagliabue's last year $6 billion. Today? $9 billion. I don't think you'll find too many owners complaining.


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    Look at the NFL's ratings and income. He seems to be doing a good job of fixing something that isn't broken.

    Also, it's business, show me a company that takes an "if it's not broke don't fix it," approach, and I'll show you a stagnant company.

    The real life counter to that argument is NASCAR. NASCAR was printing money and on pace to approach the #1 spot in viewership (albeit...on pace if the growth continued, that was always in question...but it's undeniable that they had stellar growth) in the late 90's and early 2000's. Now, they're consistently losing viewership, and it's 2 fold:

    First, they effed with the championship points...repeatedly. Started with 'the chase' after Kenseth had it wrapped up before the last race...the new fans and the consultants (probably) said it wasn't dramatic enough...it's not like the playoffs where it reaches a crescendo, they said...then the superstar (Dale Jr.) didn't make the chase from 11th or 12, I think, then poof...chase is expanded. Then people who won a lot of races and tanked in the rest missed the chase or got a crappy seed. But wait, it's supposed to be about winning...queue another change.

    2nd, they broadstroke effed with the cars...repeatedly. Make a level playing field for all the teams was the mantra there, clamped down on the body shape (although admittedly they were getting comical with the roof lines and fender bumpouts), and you can only have so many cars per team...so now, there's so little wiggle room, the huge teams are the only ones who can spend the money to get a little extra, and the drop in viewership has bankrupted the small teams...the only ones remaining are the 'associates' that are basically the extra teams spun off from or completely beholden to the huge owners.

    uhh...sorry...\rant....I used to be a fan, haven't watched a race with any sense of giving a **** in a couple years.

    But yes, you can fix what isn't broken, sometimes, but you can also break the **** out of it.



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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by 00clone View Post
    The real life counter to that argument is NASCAR. NASCAR was printing money and on pace to approach the #1 spot in viewership (albeit...on pace if the growth continued, that was always in question...but it's undeniable that they had stellar growth) in the late 90's and early 2000's. Now, they're consistently losing viewership, and it's 2 fold:

    First, they effed with the championship points...repeatedly. Started with 'the chase' after Kenseth had it wrapped up before the last race...the new fans and the consultants (probably) said it wasn't dramatic enough...it's not like the playoffs where it reaches a crescendo, they said...then the superstar (Dale Jr.) didn't make the chase from 11th or 12, I think, then poof...chase is expanded. Then people who won a lot of races and tanked in the rest missed the chase or got a crappy seed. But wait, it's supposed to be about winning...queue another change.

    2nd, they broadstroke effed with the cars...repeatedly. Make a level playing field for all the teams was the mantra there, clamped down on the body shape (although admittedly they were getting comical with the roof lines and fender bumpouts), and you can only have so many cars per team...so now, there's so little wiggle room, the huge teams are the only ones who can spend the money to get a little extra, and the drop in viewership has bankrupted the small teams...the only ones remaining are the 'associates' that are basically the extra teams spun off from or completely beholden to the huge owners.

    uhh...sorry...\rant....I used to be a fan, haven't watched a race with any sense of giving a **** in a couple years.

    But yes, you can fix what isn't broken, sometimes, but you can also break the **** out of it.
    This is so true. Races were interesting because cars could actually pass on the track. Now it's all about pit strategy and fuel mileage. You need cautions to try to make up track position instead of passing someone on the track.


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    What the hell is wrong with the NFL the way it is??

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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by mj4cy View Post
    What the hell is wrong with the NFL the way it is??

    NO we don't want a European team.

    NO we don't want a superbowl in London

    NO we don't need more games

    NO we don't need to change the scoring
    The money says "yes we do."


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by mj4cy View Post
    What the hell is wrong with the NFL the way it is??

    NO we don't want a European team.

    NO we don't want a superbowl in London

    NO we don't need more games

    NO we don't need to change the scoring


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    I'm not sure if I'm for or against something like that, but if you were creating a new sport and one of the rules you came up with was an act that was going to be converted successfully 99.7% of the time anyways and is basically never exciting or interesting you might consider not adding it at all.



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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    I'm not sure if I'm for or against something like that, but if you were creating a new sport and one of the rules you came up with was an act that was going to be converted successfully 99.7% of the time anyways and is basically never exciting or interesting you might consider not adding it at all.
    This. Goodell has done some dumb things and has earned his haters, but I don't think this is the hill that they want to take their stand on.


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    Re: Roger Goodell wants to end the PAT

    Quote Originally Posted by 3TrueFans View Post
    I'm not sure if I'm for or against something like that, but if you were creating a new sport and one of the rules you came up with was an act that was going to be converted successfully 99.7% of the time anyways and is basically never exciting or interesting you might consider not adding it at all.
    Except that .3% have cost teams playoff games. I believe the Atlanta Falcons were eliminated from playoff contention one year because they missed an XP that would have tied the game.


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