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    Weakness of Fred?

    Before I get reamed by the board, let me begin with 2 caveats.

    1. I think Fred is a great x's and o's coach.
    2. The officiating did NOT lose the game for us last night...clearly shooting did.

    However, one thing I have noticed over the past 4 years is that in big games we never get the benefit of close calls. They inevitably always seem to go against us. And unlike any college championship coach I have ever seen, Fred rarely works the officials. He is cool, calm, collected but rarely gets upset. And for a few games now I have seen this team's frustrations rising with no over-the-back calls, no calls on drives of ours, etc...

    Finally I will lay down this marker and you guys can bring it back after 2 games. I see a competitiveness and frustration level with Kane, Ejim, and Hogue that if Fred doesn't begin to fight for this team with the officials, I predict some of these guys are going to go off and get technicals, and maybe even thrown out, in one of the next 2 games.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Did you see the game in person or on TV?

    The reason I ask is if you saw the game in person and watched his interactions with the officials you would feel 180 degrees the opposite of what you posted. He was on them from the beginning both yelling and conversing during timeouts and dead balls situations.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Yet more stupid.

    /thread


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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Fred yelled at the officials as much as I've ever seen last night.

    At one point he was very close to a T.

    Claiming that Fred isn't "fighting for his team" is a really really stupid thing to say.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Kansas was called for 9 more fouls than ISU. ISU shot 15 more free throws than Kansas.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    UGH, this is just all getting out of hand. If ISU had shot their normal percentage from outside the outcome would have been totally different. Just calm down, relax, and realize the team that beat ISU last night had the #1 and #2 draft choices, and only beat ISU by 7. Relax. Chill. Take a day off and rethink it.


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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Quote Originally Posted by VAISUFAN View Post
    Before I get reamed by the board, let me begin with 2 caveats.

    1. I think Fred is a great x's and o's coach.
    2. The officiating did NOT lose the game for us last night...clearly shooting did.

    However, one thing I have noticed over the past 4 years is that in big games we never get the benefit of close calls. They inevitably always seem to go against us. And unlike any college championship coach I have ever seen, Fred rarely works the officials. He is cool, calm, collected but rarely gets upset. And for a few games now I have seen this team's frustrations rising with no over-the-back calls, no calls on drives of ours, etc...

    Finally I will lay down this marker and you guys can bring it back after 2 games. I see a competitiveness and frustration level with Kane, Ejim, and Hogue that if Fred doesn't begin to fight for this team with the officials, I predict some of these guys are going to go off and get technicals, and maybe even thrown out, in one of the next 2 games.
    ISU had a huge advantage in foul calls last night. With fouls at the end it seemed close but at one point in the 2nd half KU had like 14 fouls to our 5. If the kids still think they were not getting the calls, they need to go look at the tape and get some sense of reality.

    I am of the opinion if you as a coach give the impression you are getting screwed on the calls it gives the kids the same excuse.

    Personally I wish he would get in the players face a little bit more, and last night I think he did but that is not his normal approach. And lets be honest here, the results of his approach have been more than effective these past 4 years.


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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Fred was working the officials last night.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    UGH, this is just all getting out of hand. If ISU had shot their normal percentage from outside the outcome would have been totally different. Just calm down, relax, and realize the team that beat ISU last night had the #1 and #2 draft choices, and only beat ISU by 7. Relax. Chill. Take a day off and rethink it.

    This has nothing to do with the team winning last night. I agree. They shot above their average, we shot horrifically and only lost by 7. I actually think if we play a little better we can beat them in Kansas. But that does not change the fact that for 3 to 4 years, for me, we seem to never get the benefit of calls in big games. And while yes Fred says things to the refs, I don't equate that to how 90% of coaches work the refs. And do I think that is a disadvantage in big games...yes.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Yet more stupid.

    /thread
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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Quote Originally Posted by dfwcy View Post
    Kansas was called for 9 more fouls than ISU. ISU shot 15 more free throws than Kansas.
    Regardless of the OP... you know that even fouls does not equal evenly called game, right?



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Correct, he does not go "Mad Fran" or "Bobby Knight" but that's not how he operates and probably never will.


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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    If anything needs to be addressed, Fred needs to get his players to stop worrying about the officiating, and play, and make sure they know it is his job to "work" the refs. Frankly, if anything, I am tired of seeing this team get beat on defense because they are too busy glaring at an official for a non call. This has been a pattern for a couple years now.



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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    Regardless of the OP... you know that even fouls does not equal evenly called game, right?
    Agree, especially when attrition fouling was a game plan by KU.


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    Re: Weakness of Fred?

    Just because Fred's style does not match your preconcieved notion of the "right" way to "work" the officials doesn't mean it's not worth anything. You want him to act like Fran?



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