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    Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Chizik has said he expects about 25 recruits and currently we have 15, so here is who I think we should get with the remaining scholarships.

    Maurice Gray 4* Corner
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    Joe King 6'6 297 lb. tackle
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    Adrin Haughton 6'4 323 lb. defensive tackle/offensive guard from Florida 4.9-40
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    Leonard Johnson 5'10 Corner from largo florida. great athlete
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    Zaviar Gooden. Same town as newly committed Darius Darks. 6'2 195 lb. 4.4-40 from Texas. Currently not in top 4 but hopefully that could change.
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    Willie Carter 6'2 210 lb Athlete from Texas. Had been previously committed to tulsa. Seems like a good athlete and our staff wants him so I want him.
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    A Kicker. I dont know anything about them but I want somebody with a strong leg for kickoffs. Be nice to have somebody make some field goals as well. there are several prospects and chizik has said before he has no idea how to evalulte a kicker. So hopefully the special teams coach can identify a good one. Either of these will work
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    Evan Epstein. Offensive Center from Texas. 6'4 285 Dont know much about him but his highlight tape is good and has a good list of schools. Dont here much about him so not sure weather we are still recruiting him, including Cal, florida, USC, stanford, UCLA.
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    Bo Williams 6'1 203 pound running back who is transfering from florida.
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    I would also like another DT. Either Joe marshall (favoring minnesota, we have offered, wondering if he is waiting on an offer or something else from minnesota) Ottis Jones, or Kendrick payne. Payne seems alittle small right now, and i would think it would be harder to luer jones from all the west coast schools. Hopefully minnesota hasnt offered or if they have he changes his mind and comes here. Im guessing from the headline. marshall wants to be golden he is waiting on an offer. Add James Brown as well. My order would be Marshall, Brown, Jones, and then payne
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    If any of these players committ or somebody we havent heard about then
    Any new player
    Cedrick Mack
    DJ Grant (probably going to texas or ou)
    Dan Hoch ( probably going to mizzou, iowa, or nebraska. Ill hold out hope but wont hold breath. Would be a great get though.

    Let me know what your thoughts are and how you would change it. Any new people or other you would rather have?



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    For those of you who follow recruiting closely, is this year's recruiting really that much better than we've had in the past?

    The latest rankings I've seen had us ranked 60, I believe, and among the worst (if not the worst) in the Big 12. I know we're getting more speed, but speed doesn't make a good football player.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Your first mistake is looking at the rankings. It is better to just trust the coaching staffs decisions on who they are signing and who they are recruiting. Whether we are 60th in the rankings or 1st or 119th, it doesn't matter if when they get here they aren't coached well, they don't develop, etc etc etc.
    Three years into a classes time at a school is a better time to look back and give an accurate opinion on the recruiting class. Recruiting classes are ranked by who is recruiting that particular player. If USC, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma are going after a player, then he must be a 5 star. YOu will always see the usual suspects ranked in the top 10-15.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels686 View Post

    I would also like another DT. Either Joe marshall (favoring minnesota, we have offered, wondering if he is waiting on an offer or something else from minnesota) Ottis Jones, or Kendrick payne. Payne seems alittle small right now, and i would think it would be harder to luer jones from all the west coast schools. Hopefully minnesota hasnt offered or if they have he changes his mind and comes here. Im guessing from the headline. marshall wants to be golden he is waiting on an offer. Add James Brown as well. My order would be Marshall, Brown, Jones, and then payne
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    The chances of landing Marshall might have recently improved. Minnesota just got a commitment from a big 3 star run stopping DT from the Philly area. Even if Minny offers, Marshall would probably have a better opportunity at ISU.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by mwitt View Post
    For those of you who follow recruiting closely, is this year's recruiting really that much better than we've had in the past?

    The latest rankings I've seen had us ranked 60, I believe, and among the worst (if not the worst) in the Big 12. I know we're getting more speed, but speed doesn't make a good football player.
    Stars also don't make a good football player. Say whatever you like about Mangino, but he built a BCS Bowl team out of two and three star prospects--just adding speed as he went along. A good staff can work with speed much easier than they can a slower "football player". It's like basketball--you can't coach height, either.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    The chances of landing Marshall might have recently improved. Minnesota just got a commitment from a big 3 star run stopping DT from the Philly area. Even if Minny offers, Marshall would probably have a better opportunity at ISU.
    I hope your right, I think he's a sleeper and we could really use people at that position



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Okay, cool. Now that we're done with the inevitable "stars don't matter" spiel, can someone actually answer my question?

    The rankings are there for a reason. They might be skewed a bit by where they go, but theyr'e there for a reason. If rankings meant NOTHING and we're just supposed to sit back and trust the coaches, then why does anyone follow recruiting? Why is anyone excited about Darius Darks or Joe Tiller?



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    Say whatever you like about Mangino
    OK, he is a manhog that closely resembles Jabba the Hut... Hey, Aclone told us to say whatever we want about Tubby



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    how did Callahan's highly starred recruiting classes work out for him at NU? It's about finding the right players for the right system with the right attitudes and coachability. Does it really matter if a guy runs 0.01 seconds faster in a 40 than another guy? I have faith in the coaching staff looking for intangibles as well as physical traits in recruits.


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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    If anyone here understands my point, feel free to chime in. I'm striking out so far.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by frontrangeclone View Post
    how did Callahan's highly starred recruiting classes work out for him at NU? It's about finding the right players for the right system with the right attitudes and coachability. Does it really matter if a guy runs 0.01 seconds faster in a 40 than another guy? I have faith in the coaching staff looking for intangibles as well as physical traits in recruits.
    Ditto on what you said.
    Remember: the former ISU QB that (for now) is a starter in the NFL was an all state DB coming out of high school. It's all about developing the players once they are here.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by mwitt View Post
    Okay, cool. Now that we're done with the inevitable "stars don't matter" spiel, can someone actually answer my question?
    I don't follow recruiting that closely, but just from looking at past classes compared to this one they look to be fairly similar. If I remember right our classes tend to be ranked in about the 60s (highest was 40 something I think) and we usually battle Baylor for the bottom of the Big XII as far as those rankings go.

    My hope is that Chizik will be able to do more with the players he has and can build on a successful season or two. That was mine and most people's problem with Mac - he had some success but failed to build on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit View Post
    Ditto on what you said.
    Remember: the former ISU QB that (for now) is a starter in the NFL was an all state DB coming out of high school. It's all about developing the players once they are here.
    So you're saying that it doesn't matter who we recruit? We have a good coach, so that means our players will all become good?

    Seriously, I don't think what I'm trying to say is that confusing. Everyone complained all year long that we weren't winning because we had no talent, but that would change because Chizik would get better talent and coach them up.

    Don't tell me about Nebraska's class. I don't care about them. I get it...Callahan sucks.

    I'm asking if we're getting better talent. And I'm trying to ask the people who follow recruiting closely who actually have an idea instead of a bunch of BS responses.



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by mwitt View Post
    If anyone here understands my point, feel free to chime in. I'm striking out so far.
    I understand what your talking about. By the rankings they are not all that different at the moment than in the past. the difference right now is that chizk is recruiting alot more speed and athletitism.. And some of 3* and 2* that we are getting were more actively pursued by bigger schools rather than smaller ones. Stars do mean something to a point. We are excited about guys like Darks because he is a 3* athlete with alot of potential. Were more excited about these guys than dans is they are better athletes. We beat out schools like michigan st., iowa, texas am, kansas, mizzou and teams like that rather than with dan (more often than not) it was against central michigan, northern illinois, wyoming and schools like that. If i didnt answer your question just say so and i will try and answer it better



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    Re: Football Recruiting...Last 10 Scholarships

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    I don't follow recruiting that closely, but just from looking at past classes compared to this one they look to be fairly similar. If I remember right our classes tend to be ranked in about the 60s (highest was 40 something I think) and we usually battle Baylor for the bottom of the Big XII as far as those rankings go.

    My hope is that Chizik will be able to do more with the players he has and can build on a successful season or two. That was mine and most people's problem with Mac - he had some success but failed to build on it.
    Thank you for the intelligent response.

    I feel the same way you do. I think the talent level seems to be similar, but we're bringing in some guys who have potential to really become a threat. I don't recall us bringing in this much speed in the past. Then again, we heard that Allen Bell was a burner, too.



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