Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 33
  1. #1
    Recruit
    Points: 3,182, Level: 16
    Level completed: 33%, Points required for next Level: 268
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    whippetranch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Lower Beaver, DSM, IA
    Posts
    101
    Points
    3,182
    Level
    16
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 7
    Given: 4

    Player development under CFH

    I was thinking this morning about the players who have come through ISU under Hoiberg's tenure and how much BETTER many of them became as they progressed through their time in Ames.

    I'm not just talking about players with a "troubled" past like White and Lucious but also guys like McGee and Babb who were a full step-change better their senior years. Ejim last year made this jump and now guys like Kane and Hogue are playing well-above their expectations based on past performance (granted they are in different leagues this year).

    I've also seen playing time improve and regress for players along with their performance (see McGee for the former and Gibson for the latter). From my playing days in high school I can fully appreciate both the fact that CFH's staff invests in players not in the starting 5 but also rewards them for performance.

    I haven't read alot about this topic and think it is an underrated part of the success we have had in recent years.

    If I was a senior in HS or a transfer considering ISU, that would be something to look at beyond play style, facilities, etc.


    Basketball is like poetry in motion, cross the guy to the left, take him back to the right, he's fallin' back, then just J right in his face. Then you look at him and say, "What?" -- Jesus Shuttlesworth (Ray Allen) - He Got Game

  2. #2
    Prospect
    Points: 98, Level: 1
    Level completed: 48%, Points required for next Level: 52
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    7 days registered

    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    9
    Points
    98
    Level
    1
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: Player development under CFH

    The biggest improvement you didn't even mention. Naz Long last year I didnt think could play for drake and this year hes the man and I still think will be a starter before the years done.



  3. #3
    Walk On
    Points: 8,196, Level: 27
    Level completed: 8%, Points required for next Level: 554
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    135
    Points
    8,196
    Level
    27
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Re: Player development under CFH

    I agree. There is also a tie in with this concept with the team we played yesterday, Texas Tech. Tubby Smith was run out of Minnesota and one of the reasons was that players did not seem to improve under his watch and along with that there were continued middle of the road results. I believe the 13-0 start is tied in strongly with player improvement and not just improved recruiting of players.



  4. #4
    Speechless
    Points: 186,855, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 19.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    ajk4st8's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    15,740
    Points
    186,855
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 374
    Given: 937

    Re: Player development under CFH

    DG was crazy good his SR year too. I was glad he had a year to show cyclonenation how good he could be.



  5. #5
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 84,703, Level: 90
    Level completed: 53%, Points required for next Level: 847
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    azepp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    3,964
    Points
    84,703
    Level
    90
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 185
    Given: 128

    Re: Player development under CFH

    I think he does a great job developing players and a large part of that is putting them in a position to succeed, something that the previous HC was not as good at. CFH builds the system around the players instead of trying to fit the players into the system. Now guys get to showcase what they're good at. It makes the whole team better which leads to wins and boosts confidence which, IMO, is the single most important factor in turning an average player into a good or great player.



  6. #6
    Speechless
    Points: 352,344, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    ISUFan22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Grimes, IA
    Posts
    33,310
    Points
    352,344
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,075
    Given: 620

    Re: Player development under CFH

    DG is all you need to watch to see this. DG has the talent before Fred showed up - but Fred and staff molded that very, very well



  7. #7
    Recruit
    Points: 3,182, Level: 16
    Level completed: 33%, Points required for next Level: 268
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures1000 Experience Points1 year registered
    whippetranch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Lower Beaver, DSM, IA
    Posts
    101
    Points
    3,182
    Level
    16
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 7
    Given: 4

    Re: Player development under CFH

    Completely agree on the Long and Garrett comments... I didn't want my post to get TLDR.

    CFH is recruiting prototype NBA PG/SG hybrids - fast, lanky, handles, and smart - and molding them to their best abilities.

    I would never want go against anybody who gets minutes on a Hoiberg team in pickup ball.


    Basketball is like poetry in motion, cross the guy to the left, take him back to the right, he's fallin' back, then just J right in his face. Then you look at him and say, "What?" -- Jesus Shuttlesworth (Ray Allen) - He Got Game

  8. #8
    Legend
    Points: 122,523, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 50.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    cyclones500's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    11,028
    Points
    122,523
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 676
    Given: 1,461

    Re: Player development under CFH

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUFan22 View Post
    DG is all you need to watch to see this. DG has the talent before Fred showed up - but Fred and staff molded that very, very well
    He also got the most of Scotty's potential, and Clyburn's progression from raw talent to impact-player-within-the system between November and March was impressive.



  9. #9
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 58,633, Level: 75
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 1,417
    Overall activity: 6.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    benjay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    4,811
    Points
    58,633
    Level
    75
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 220
    Given: 43

    Re: Player development under CFH

    Fred runs an NBA system, which is another way of saying Fred does not run a system. He teaches his players how to maximize their offensive potential as a team by recognizing the individual talents of the players on the floor. Everyone shares the ball, and everyone gets good looks. It's a golden age.



  10. #10
    Legend
    Points: 131,666, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 12.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsSocial
    Cycsk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    10,782
    Points
    131,666
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 799
    Given: 653

    Re: Player development under CFH

    It would be interesting to hear from some former coaches whose players ended up with us, particularly if those coaches are no longer with their teams and might be more likely to be honest in their evaluation of the players. We see it, but I wonder if they see it (and would admit it).



  11. #11
    Speechless
    Points: 428,167, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialOverdriveVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Wesley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Omaha
    Posts
    64,136
    Points
    428,167
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,306
    Given: 971

    Re: Player development under CFH

    That above said is all true. However, the shooting percentages of our transfers by a previous thread showed the players stayed about the same. If they shot well at other schools, they continued at about the same pace - Babb, Clyburn, JakeA, Booker, Kane, etc. However, it seems assists and rebounds and passing is what improves about our players.


    Let my Fred's Posse Ride: Georges, 3sus, Hallice, Deonte, Dustin, Abdel, Monte, Matt, and McKaT.

  12. #12
    Speechless
    Points: 352,344, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    ISUFan22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Grimes, IA
    Posts
    33,310
    Points
    352,344
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,075
    Given: 620

    Re: Player development under CFH

    Quote Originally Posted by benjay View Post
    Fred runs an NBA system, which is another way of saying Fred does not run a system. He teaches his players how to maximize their offensive potential as a team by recognizing the individual talents of the players on the floor. Everyone shares the ball, and everyone gets good looks. It's a golden age.
    When chasing down a leader in a Nascar race, the guy chasing often takes the opposite strategy of the leader - risk/reward.

    Seems like ISU MBB and Fred have done the same.

    I just think back to when he was hired and give total genius credit to Pollard and whoever else played a major role in the decision making on that. Clearly knew something most others did not.



  13. #13
    Pro
    Points: 58,548, Level: 74
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 2
    Overall activity: 32.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Thompsonclone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Ames
    Posts
    2,306
    Points
    58,548
    Level
    74
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 267
    Given: 226

    Re: Player development under CFH

    Really hoping Dorsey-Walker makes that jump like Naz did. The potential is there. IMO he just needs minutes. I think he could be scoring about the same as Naz if he played the same amount of minutes.



  14. #14
    Addict
    Points: 197,579, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 9.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    Dryburn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    9,313
    Points
    197,579
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 389
    Given: 9

    Re: Player development under CFH

    I think the best example so far is DG. Let's be honest, if GMAC had stayed as coach, it is very unlikely that DG would now be playing for the Jazz. It's that simple.

    I wish Royce had stayed another year or two. Not just for ISU's sake, but because I think if he had stayed his skill set would have developed to something so valuable that an NBA team would work out any problems with his issues that they needed to do, in order for him to play. I think he thought they should do that anyway, but after only 1 solid year, he was still kind of an unproven entity for them.


    Last edited by Dryburn; 01-05-2014 at 01:24 PM.
    -Be kind. That is something you will never regret. You will never say to yourself when you are old "I wish I was not good to that person".

  15. #15
    Pro
    Points: 37,340, Level: 59
    Level completed: 58%, Points required for next Level: 510
    Overall activity: 5.0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsCreated Album picturesVeteran

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    West Des Moines
    Posts
    2,486
    Points
    37,340
    Level
    59
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 122
    Given: 227

    Re: Player development under CFH

    All coaches in all sports should follow his lead... eh hmmm football ... He takes guys and lets the season play out to their individual and team strengths. He adapts to everything he has. Fred will always be successful doing that.



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: TBD
  • FOOTBALL: Iowa State vs. UNI
  • August 29, 2015
  • 06:00 PM