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    Player Attrition

    Guys that have left in the last three years:

    Vette
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    Dunson
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    Carr
    Evanovich
    Blalock
    Stinson
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    Let me know if I missed anybody.

    I know many of these guys leaving cannot be really put on McD. But the fact is this program has been through a massive upheaval year after year and it needs to stop. If this team is ever going to be successful we need attrition to at least get to a managable level.




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    Re: Player Attrition

    Put the players we lost last year on this team and we have just one...maybe 2 loses and a chance to get in the NIT.

    It would be real swell if we could stop the bleeding.



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    Re: Player Attrition

    The bottom 6 have nothing to do with the current staff at all - not one single bit. The others can be debated but nobody can argue that any of the 6 bottom names should have any reference to the GMac years.


    A program isn't built on one player and it doesn't succeed because of one player, thus a program won't fail if it doesn't get that one player.

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    Re: Player Attrition

    It would be hard for any team in the big 12 to try to remain competitive with those types of numbers, and you are absolutely right, if we have any more defections during the season or after there will be a need for concern.



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    Re: Player Attrition

    I'm willing to give g-mac the benefit of the doubt on player attrition...But I'm also starting to get concerned when players that Greg has recruited start to leave...

    I still think the future looks bright and we just have to put up with another tough year to get to where Greg Mac wants to take our program.



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    Re: Player Attrition

    And we thought Floyd/Eustachy ran off players :)



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    Re: Player Attrition

    Stinson and Blalock by far were the worst losses. Say what you want about Stinson. He was a great Cycloneand so was Blalock. Maybe if we would have recruited better around them we would have been better.



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    Re: Player Attrition

    I like how you can take all the guys with eligibility remaining and create there own team, they probably would be fairly decent too. It is not too hard to see why the team is struggleing.


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    Re: Player Attrition

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    The bottom 6 have nothing to do with the current staff at all - not one single bit. The others can be debated but nobody can argue that any of the 6 bottom names should have any reference to the GMac years.
    Yeah, but you have those on this site who are readying their torches for the firing that he didn't try hard enough to keep those last six guys around.

    I don't buy this at all. It just amazes me that people out there thought that this was going to be a quick turnaround and all was going to be well by the end of year one of GMac's tenure simply because "it's easier to turn a program around in basketball." Whatever happened to giving a guy three years to build a team before we begin grading him on his performance? Some of us were ready to throw him out of the program prior to the Big 12 season LAST YEAR... I'm not making any judgments on GMac until the end of next year. I believe any coach should get 3 years minimum to rebuild a program - some Cyclone fans haven't even given him half that (the ones that unrealistically thought we were going to win 20+ games this year and NCAA Tournament was guaranteed).


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    Re: Player Attrition

    A few things:

    -Nearly every school has to battle this issue...I live in Baton Rouge and LSU is continually battling this same thing. I have lived in TX, MD, and FL and the schools in those states had the same issues. I do see it as a growing problem everywhere.

    -It is likely that this turnover will increase in conjunction with a coaching change...especially with the kind of dramatic change we had from Morgan to McDermott (in terms of philosophy).

    -I will only be really concerned if the guys leaving end up being superstars wherever they land.

    -This is why I am against recruiting so many "projects". Just about every MBB thread on this site has a lot of talk about "developing players" and how good we will be "in a couple of years". I think we need to play to win NOW.

    The bottom line is that there are precious few Iowa kids that are ready to step into a DI program and contribute immediately. We need to recruit those that can and look elsewhere to find other players that can contribute immediately!



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    Quote Originally Posted by CyBobby View Post
    I'm willing to give g-mac the benefit of the doubt on player attrition...But I'm also starting to get concerned when players that Greg has recruited start to leave...

    I still think the future looks bright and we just have to put up with another tough year to get to where Greg Mac wants to take our program.
    I agree. This is year two though, and some people are already getting ******. Looking at the roster for next season, that team doesn't look like an NCAA team to me. I'm all for being patient and I've been a staunch supporter of McD and I am still am, however, this ship needs righted. There needs to be a competitive team on the floor next season or any "coaching change" momentum this program has is going to be right out the window.




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    Re: Player Attrition

    It IS possible for a new coach to keep guys around. I really think that Carr, Degand, and Taggert could have been kept. Im sure the last thing a guy wants is to sit out a year, especially in Degands case... So I wouldn't say that the new staff has absolutely nothing to do with it...



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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone#1 View Post
    This is why I am against recruiting so many "projects". Just about every MBB thread on this site has a lot of talk about "developing players" and how good we will be "in a couple of years". I think we need to play to win NOW.

    The bottom line is that there are precious few Iowa kids that are ready to step into a DI program and contribute immediately. We need to recruit those that can and look elsewhere to find other players that can contribute immediately!
    You're right, the coaching staff really doesn't want guys that can come in and play right away. They love getting these guys that take a few years to come in and play at a Big 12 level.

    You've said this multitudinous times. We know you think we should be getting better talent. I'm sure the coaches, staff, players, and adminstration of the athletic department would love to get elite talent. The fact is that it's hard to do and we're honestly recruiting just about to the same level as every other Big 12 school with the exception of Kansas.

    I've asked you before and I'll ask you again... what do you suggest we do to win NOW, as you have said so many times? You have never answered this. It's easy to say, and difficult to do, otherwise I'm sure McDermott would have done it by now.

    It IS possible for a new coach to keep guys around. I really think that Carr, Degand, and Taggert could have been kept. Im sure the last thing a guy wants is to sit out a year, especially in Degands case... So I wouldn't say that the new staff has absolutely nothing to do with it...
    I agree with this as well... I'm not going to put those defections on McD because I don't know what the whole circumstance was. But we've seen many coaches retain the players of a previous administration. I don't think it's fair to put them on McD, but I don't think it's fair to say there was nothing he could have done.




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    just wait for next year..... things will be better then.


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    Re: Player Attrition

    I think you can give GMac a pass on the bottom half of that list. He did not recruit those guys so it's not uncommon thing for players to leave when a new coach arrives.

    The Taylor/McIntosh thing is ironic because I've heard that if Taylor wasn't here McIntosh would have stayed. I was not a big McIntosh fan but I'd kill to have him over Peterson right now. I'd like to see the bleeding stop too but when you recruit guys you don't know how they will react once they are on campus and practicing with the team. It's just like how some people take a job and think it's going to be great then after working for awhile become unhappy or the job was not all that they thought it would be so they move on to another one.


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