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    Did we really win on Friday?

    Yes, yes, I know the outcome of the game, and I realize ISU gets to add a tally in the win column. But watching the game and then a replay of the game, I just did not feel at all that ISU was the better team in the matchup. Atrocious defense, and did not hustle as much. Got out-rebounded tremendously, and trailed for 35 out of 40 minutes. Gave too many open looks and second chance points, and though it was better in the 2nd half, gave up way too many baskets in transition.

    I'm grateful for the win, but I almost take more negative away from the game than positive. I know I'll take flak for this, but I can't ignore the warning signs I saw in that game. Bad defense, getting bullied inside, and sloppy ball movement. I love the wins, and it is true that good teams find ways to win games, but Iowa State did not look very good on Friday, even in the midst of victory. We will move up 3-4 spots in the rankings this week, probably, but the target on our backs is just getting larger and larger. Iowa exposed several weak spots in our game, and like Fred said after the game, without the crowd factor and Hilton Magic, this game would have gone to Iowa. Fred and the boys have some work to do.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    And yet, if you frame it positively we won despite not playing our best game. That's the mark of champions.


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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    A win is win is a win.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    We gave up "too many open looks", specifically around the rim, to avoid foul trouble. It was in the game plan. I'd rather take my chances with Aaron White getting open layups and keeping Ejim, Niang, and Hogue in the whole game than challenging every shot down near the hoop.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydugouts View Post
    MM and gesell are pretty much a wash. is niang a better player than woodbury? of course, but that doesnt mean its a good matchup for him, especially with a much more athletic defensive player backing up woodbury.
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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    What's even better is we played like that and WON.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    Do we have to do this again? Can't we just enjoy the win. Knowing we beat a quality team without playing our best is enough for me. Why must we look for a negative?


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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    The point of basketball is to score more points. It doesn't matter if it was ugly or if you only had a lead for a short period of time. Iowa didn't do what they had to and we took advantage of that and won.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bewilderme View Post
    And yet, if you frame it positively we won despite not playing our best game. That's the mark of champions.
    Having a hard time framing it that way. You see, Iowa presented a real test for ISU, possibly the best team they've faced so far (no, I'm not kidding). While they won, they looked extremely average doing so. I'm more in the party that thinks ISU didn't play their best game, but Iowa had a hand in making it that way. They (Iowa) were able to poke holes in a poor defensive scheme all night long. Missed a lot of open shots, especially at the end with McCabe missing the 3, followed by several missed put-back attempts due to ISU not being able to rebound the ball. A win is great, like I said, but my outlook is bleak until I see ISU finally play a complete game again.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    Michigan State Spartans vs. Oakland Golden Grizzlies - Recap - December 14, 2013 - ESPN

    #5 Michigan State barely beat a 2-8 (Now 2-9) Oakland Team in Auburn Hills. This is how it works in College Basketball, you don't always play your best game. Good teams win games they shouldn't. That's exactly what we did



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    I'm starting to get real f*ing tired of the chicken little's and debbie downer's on this site. Relax, buckle up and enjoy the ride.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydugouts View Post
    MM and gesell are pretty much a wash. is niang a better player than woodbury? of course, but that doesnt mean its a good matchup for him, especially with a much more athletic defensive player backing up woodbury.
    Quote Originally Posted by surly View Post
    NOY Edwards, K-State



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyinthenorth View Post
    Yes, yes, I know the outcome of the game, and I realize ISU gets to add a tally in the win column. But watching the game and then a replay of the game, I just did not feel at all that ISU was the better team in the matchup. Atrocious defense, and did not hustle as much. Got out-rebounded tremendously, and trailed for 35 out of 40 minutes. Gave too many open looks and second chance points, and though it was better in the 2nd half, gave up way too many baskets in transition.

    I'm grateful for the win, but I almost take more negative away from the game than positive. I know I'll take flak for this, but I can't ignore the warning signs I saw in that game. Bad defense, getting bullied inside, and sloppy ball movement. I love the wins, and it is true that good teams find ways to win games, but Iowa State did not look very good on Friday, even in the midst of victory. We will move up 3-4 spots in the rankings this week, probably, but the target on our backs is just getting larger and larger. Iowa exposed several weak spots in our game, and like Fred said after the game, without the crowd factor and Hilton Magic, this game would have gone to Iowa. Fred and the boys have some work to do.
    I see what you are saying, but it doesn't matter if a team leads for 39:59 seconds or if they lead for 1 second. All that matters is the scoreboard after the final buzzer sounded. Lots to work on, but CFH still has 6 more days to work out those issues before the Diamond Head Classic. We've got time.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    It does feel similar to last week's win against UNI. Somewhat disappointing, but not discouraging. It is good that we can win while playing poorly, but it should not take 30 minutes to get going. The good news is that the past two years we have dropped games to such programs in the non-conference and got things righted by the middle of Big 12 play.



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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    I seem to remember a game against the hoks where ISU pretty much led the whole game only to lose in the last few seconds. Too lazy to look it up. I'm thinking maybe around 1998 or so. I'm pretty sure if you look at the official UofI sports website there is an asterisk next to that score - explaining that even though Iowa scored more points - most of their fans consider it a loss since they were behind the whole game.







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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    I'd much rather look "average" against a good team and win than look horrible against a bad team and win.




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    Re: Did we really win on Friday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyinthenorth View Post
    Yes, yes, I know the outcome of the game, and I realize ISU gets to add a tally in the win column. But watching the game and then a replay of the game, I just did not feel at all that ISU was the better team in the matchup. Atrocious defense, and did not hustle as much. Got out-rebounded tremendously, and trailed for 35 out of 40 minutes. Gave too many open looks and second chance points, and though it was better in the 2nd half, gave up way too many baskets in transition.

    I'm grateful for the win, but I almost take more negative away from the game than positive. I know I'll take flak for this, but I can't ignore the warning signs I saw in that game. Bad defense, getting bullied inside, and sloppy ball movement. I love the wins, and it is true that good teams find ways to win games, but Iowa State did not look very good on Friday, even in the midst of victory. We will move up 3-4 spots in the rankings this week, probably, but the target on our backs is just getting larger and larger. Iowa exposed several weak spots in our game, and like Fred said after the game, without the crowd factor and Hilton Magic, this game would have gone to Iowa. Fred and the boys have some work to do.
    Yes, we won...I was there. Two pretty equal teams went at it for 38.5 minutes and then one team had the talent to put it away when it counted. I think it feels like Iowa did so well because they did a lot better than all of us thought they would. But there is not a single part of me that thinks the better team didn't win.


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