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    and pope is gone because...

    isu lacked a true no. 1 guy, the odd rotation throughout the year, or what?

    Our line was decimated, our receivers didn't help much, and the play calling was atrocious usually; we can all agree on, yes?

    The stable of RB's we have amassed had to earn him something I would think. By no means am I against Rhoads breathing new life into the unit by going a different direction, I guess I'm just at a bit of a loss..

    Also, what could we improve on, other than overall talent (recruiting) and utilization of the RB's?



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by NewClone09 View Post
    Also, what could we improve on, other than overall talent (recruiting) and utilization of the RB's?
    What else is there beyond talent and utilization of talent for a position coach?

    "What could we improve on, other than everything?"



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by CyFan61 View Post
    What else is there beyond talent and utilization of talent for a position coach?

    "What could we improve on, other than everything?"

    Exactly, so what didn't Rhoads like regarding Pope's coaching or think he could gain with a new hire?



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Probably because Rhoads can hire a running back coach who will get the same production but also recruit better. Also so the new OC can bring in at least one guy he wants.



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by NewClone09 View Post
    isu lacked a true no. 1 guy, the odd rotation throughout the year, or what?

    Our line was decimated, our receivers didn't help much, and the play calling was atrocious usually; we can all agree on, yes?

    The stable of RB's we have amassed had to earn him something I would think. By no means am I against Rhoads breathing new life into the unit by going a different direction, I guess I'm just at a bit of a loss..

    Also, what could we improve on, other than overall talent (recruiting) and utilization of the RB's?
    Lack of improvement from running backs. It always seemed like someone would break out then get hurt and get thrown in a rotating pile of RB's



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    we're going protestant


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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Why he is gone has nothing to do with running backs, and everything to do with recruiting.

    Alot of position coaches are there primarily to recruit.



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    I agree with the lack of development. I don't think we've seen much by way of development from the likes of James White and Nealy. Obviously, Shontrelle's situation is different given his injuries but I can't think of a RB who is better today than they were a few years ago.



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by CyFan61 View Post
    What else is there beyond talent and utilization of talent for a position coach?

    "What could we improve on, other than everything?"
    No, for many positions coaches it is about recruiting, not the position itself (OL coach is definitely an exception). But the value of say, RB & WR coaches is primarily derived from recruiting.



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    I was a little surprised but completely fine with Pope leaving. The inability to get much out of that deep stable of RB's is what sunk him IMO. You can argue whether that was because of a lack of development or utilization. It's also tough to just pass the blame off to the O line and passing game when Wimberly was able to make an immediate impact.


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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Our RBs fumbled too much the last couple years I think. During Rhoads initial time at ISU under Mac ISU hardly ever fumbled (Alford as RB coach). Also, you cannot ignore the RBs roll in pass protection...



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    RB coach is mainly a recruiter. And he doesn't just recruit RB's. What I think we need with a new RB coach is a good Texas recruiter.



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    RB coach is mainly a recruiter. And he doesn't just recruit RB's. What I think we need with a new RB coach is a good Texas recruiter.
    Exactly. He is on staff to recruit Texas. We haven't been recruiting Texas very well. 2 + 2 = 4.



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by NewClone09 View Post
    Exactly, so what didn't Rhoads like regarding Pope's coaching or think he could gain with a new hire?
    How would anybody but Rhoads know his reasoning? He obviously had one...



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    Re: and pope is gone because...

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    Probably because Rhoads can hire a running back coach who will get the same production but also recruit better. Also so the new OC can bring in at least one guy he wants.

    Hmm, didn't think of the package deal, but that makes total sense. I guess I was under the impression Pope was fairly respected or liked with recruits just based on his coaching track record... I don't know any stats or numbers but some pretty good schools on that list.



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