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    Cutting weight

    Curious about reactions to this article. I am a wrestling fan, but did not wrestle beyond junior high. So I do not have experience cutting weight other than for health reasons.

    InterMat Wrestling - Foley's Friday Mailbag: November 22, 2013



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    Re: Cutting weight

    I read that as well. I completely agree. Weight cutting is definitely unhealthy and not the way to go and instilling healthy eating and good conditioning from the get go is definitely something that needs to start happening. The pee-wee and high school coaches need to start trending that way because when kids get to high school and are in a habit of weight cutting it's probably too late. I know there are a lot of college programs stressing healthy eating and conditioning over weight cutting already.



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    Re: Cutting weight

    The changes made in the last decade have drastically reduced weight cutting. And honestly I'm not sure how much more the NCAA could do as long as weight classes exist. There are still a few extreme cases (like McDonough from Iowa the last few seasons) but overall the sport has gotten much more intelligent about weight control.

    I think the biggest thing they could still do if they wanted to really kill weight cutting would be to get rid of the weight allowances for multiday tournaments, and not allow guys to weigh in the night before at NCAAs. If guys had to make weight 2 hours before the finals in March I think that would force a lot of guys up a weight class.

    There are some BJJ tournaments that use matside weigh ins. Which would also be a possibility. But I'm not confident that could be pulled off without big changes to how tournaments are run.


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    Re: Cutting weight

    If they really want the best for wrestlers, they would have reasonable weight classes and have them make weight and step on the mat. That way if you cut too much weight or are dehydrated, you pay the consequences.



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    Re: Cutting weight

    One big question I'd have about matside weigh ins is safety. I wouldn't want guys forgoing knee pads, an ankle brace, (or underwear), etc... because it might put them over. Nor do I want to see singlets become super minimal in the interest of saving a tenth of a pound.

    I'm sure there are ways around that. I'm just not sure what they are.



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    Re: Cutting weight

    I competed at a pretty high level in high school and cut weight my junior and senior year harder than I should have. No coaches or parents urged me to do it, it was competitiveness I felt on my own. In hindsight I think it wasn't wise for several reasons. I saw opponents I had defeated in previous year high on the state medal podium in the weight class above me and I could also realize certain opponents gaining some strength on me if we had rematches later in the year.

    My junior year I guess I "got away with it" and had a successful season. My senior year it caught up with me and I had to withdraw from the state tournament a few hours after my first match with the most intense stomach pains I've ever felt. Obviously watching the tournament from a hospital left me pretty sure I had made a dumb mistake in the name of being competitive.

    I would defend cutting weight in that extra body fat is a legitimate disadvantage, but among high level competitors the majority are already very lean. I was already very lean and cut my body fat well below 3%, probably below 2%. I'd hear them say where the dangerous levels were and laugh that I was already there before I even started "cutting" just by regular training. But if I were the same competitor coming into a season with 8% or 10% body fat I certainly would have been at a disadvantage and I don't think it's always dangerous to have a goal of cutting some weight. I didn't even consider college wrestling scholarship interest when it came because I was so burnt out mentally (plus I liked ISU and wasn't close to getting an ISU offer). Soon after I graduated they made a lot of reforms in hs wrestling (year before the incidents article mentions) and I think they may have helped me wrestle up a weight class, but I wonder if I had such tunnel vision I'd have found a way around it.



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    Re: Cutting weight

    IMO, weight cutting is part of the essence of the sport. It's the warrior mind-over-matter mentality. Now obviously, if a kid is hurting himself doing it, he should be stopped. High schoolers in iowa have their body fat percentage checked preseason along with hydration. They then calculate the lowest weight you are allowed to compete at. Also, you must allow a week per 2 pounds you cut (descent plan). Even with that instilled I was allowed to cut a fair amount of weight in high school. You simply have to get your weight down before the body fat composition test. There are ways around it.



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    Re: Cutting weight

    At my hs we cut to have a full stacked lineup top to bottom. Got 3rd in state soph yr and lost 1 dual sr yr including setting a team record at the prestigious Ida grove tourney. We were actually a team of wrestlers that wanted to win as a team above individually. Of course we had individual goals too but the goals of the team were always more important and that meant everyone cutting weight



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