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    Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    If you watched them, how many times would you guess they threw the deep ball (20+ yds downfield)? It had to be at least 20 times I'd bet. Probably more. Same with TT too.

    If you put 9 guys in the box, blitz, and play man to man press coverage on Baylor or TT, you're going to pay for it BIG time.

    It got to the point last night that the TT defense (CBs and LBs) were literally backpedaling before the snap just so they didn't get burnt deep. And that opened up the run game and short passing game big time.

    TT had to cover the ENTIRE field. Not just the area within 10 yds of the line of scrimmage. TT had no idea what was coming next? The deep ball down the middle, or a delayed handoff up the gut? Or maybe a swing pass out to the sideline? Baylor uses the ENTIRE field. That makes it really hard on a defense.

    When playing against ISU, you need to guard against the run and the bubble screen and that's about it.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    If you watched them, how many times would you guess they threw the deep ball (20+ yds downfield)? It had to be at least 20 times I'd bet. Probably more. Same with TT too.

    If you put 9 guys in the box, blitz, and play man to man press coverage on Baylor or TT, you're going to pay for it BIG time.

    It got to the point last night that the TT defense (CBs and LBs) were literally backpedaling before the snap just so they didn't get burnt deep. And that opened up the run game and short passing game big time.

    TT had to cover the ENTIRE field. Not just the area within 10 yds of the line of scrimmage. TT had no idea what was coming next? The deep ball down the middle, or a delayed handoff up the gut? Or maybe a swing pass out to the sideline? Baylor uses the ENTIRE field. That makes it really hard on a defense.

    When playing against ISU, you need to guard against the run and the bubble screen and that's about it.
    On CF you need to guard against clonedude.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Our current QB's have a tough time throwing 5 yard passes.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmclone View Post
    Our current QB's have a tough time throwing 5 yard passes.
    You do have a point. If you can't throw an accurate 5 yd pass, I'm not sure you want to try anything further than that? Good point.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Well the key is to get my passes off at complete them, but you are correct , isu is the easiest team in football to defend



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    If you watched them, how many times would you guess they threw the deep ball (20+ yds downfield)? It had to be at least 20 times I'd bet. Probably more. Same with TT too.

    If you put 9 guys in the box, blitz, and play man to man press coverage on Baylor or TT, you're going to pay for it BIG time.

    It got to the point last night that the TT defense (CBs and LBs) were literally backpedaling before the snap just so they didn't get burnt deep. And that opened up the run game and short passing game big time.

    TT had to cover the ENTIRE field. Not just the area within 10 yds of the line of scrimmage. TT had no idea what was coming next? The deep ball down the middle, or a delayed handoff up the gut? Or maybe a swing pass out to the sideline? Baylor uses the ENTIRE field. That makes it really hard on a defense.

    When playing against ISU, you need to guard against the run and the bubble screen and that's about it.
    All game, I couldn't understand why we didn't take shots down the field with the wind on obvious blitz situations. Then it occurred to me, Mess is hopeless and Grant has yet to connect on one deep ball he's thrown.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    Well the key is to get my passes off at complete them, but you are correct , isu is the easiest team in football to defend
    Yeah, it should not be any secret to any team playing us how to beat us.

    That's why Stoops should almost get fired just for how he played us in that 1st half yesterday. Did they not watch any film of us at all, or were they just toying with us for a half?



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    Yeah, it should not be any secret to any team playing us how to beat us.

    That's why Stoops should almost get fired just for how he played us in that 1st half yesterday. Did they not watch any film of us at all, or were they just toying with us for a half?
    First half they just didn't care. Second half they realized if they played just a half of football they could still hang damn near 50 on us. It's not what we did - it's that OU woke up and started to play football



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    First half they just didn't care. Second half they realized if they played just a half of football they could still hang damn near 50 on us. It's not what we did - it's that OU woke up and started to play football
    Somewhat true, but they also blitzed the heck out of us in the 2nd half. Rohach had all day to throw in the 1st half. In the entire 2nd half, he had no time at all. Mess has NEVER shown the ability to make any team pay for blitzing us on every play..... none.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    I said this in the game thread yesterday but I dont understand why Grant was recruited to this system. I do think Grant could be a solid pocket passer if given the right help but he isn't the mobile qb that this system is made for. I do believe that Grant could throw the ball down the field as he seems to have a decent arm but appears that Mess can't figure out that when the box is stacked to audible to a fade or deeper route.


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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    Well the key is to get my passes off at complete them, but you are correct , isu is the easiest team in football to defend
    ISU is the easiest team in football to coach against. Pretty much just show up.


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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    I was at the Baylor/Tech game last night (my daughter graduated from Tech). Two huge differences from ISU. 1. They have a QB that has strong and accurate arm to throw deep. 2. They have receivers who have the ability to go get the ball. Almost half of the deep throws are done with having the faith that the receiver will get the ball. When ISU throws deep (rarely ever happens) we only complete it if it lands directly in the receivers hands in stride. Baylor throws it up for grabs and they almost always out manuever the defender and TAKE the catch from the defender. We have no one on this team (that is eligible) that can do this.



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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    You do have a point. If you can't throw an accurate 5 yd pass, I'm not sure you want to try anything further than that? Good point.
    Throwing deep this year looks like shooting at ducks blindfolded. Accuracy is not our forte. We rarely pass the ball to the best position for the catch. And, yes, our receivers usually have problems adjusting to make the catch. Appreciating Josh Lenz a lot more this year.


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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    Somewhat true, but they also blitzed the heck out of us in the 2nd half. Rohach had all day to throw in the 1st half. In the entire 2nd half, he had no time at all. Mess has NEVER shown the ability to make any team pay for blitzing us on every play..... none.
    Second half they crashed their d-ends, and, as usual, we folded our offensive tents. until we figure out how to play against a blitz or charging dine, we will lose.


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    Re: Anyone watch Baylor last night?

    Quote Originally Posted by cuphues View Post
    I was at the Baylor/Tech game last night (my daughter graduated from Tech). Two huge differences from ISU....
    You forgot one important piece. It all starts with the O-line. In watching the Baylor and even the K-State game-- huge running lanes and all day to pass. Our QBs and RBs simply don't have that. Yes injuries, poor coaching, or maybe not the right guys all play into that. Until the O-line is fixed, we're toast.


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