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    Pop Warner youth football participation drops; NFL concussion crisis seen as causal factor - ESPN

    I am of the feeling that while I don't think football will die, I do believe the US will see a shift what sports are most important. If less kids play, I think that is the start of that trend. Just my opinion.


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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    It's just a continuation of the wussification of America.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    more apt to get a concussion in youth soccer than football. I'd say it is more of not wanting sons to play for crazy adults who take the shtuff to frickin seriously.


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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLame View Post
    more apt to get a concussion in youth soccer than football. I'd say it is more of not wanting sons to play for crazy adults who take the shtuff to frickin seriously.
    Agree and saw the same thing in my sons league this year (8th grade). Several non contact sports (cross country and golf specifically) were the of landing spots for kids leaving football.

    Seem to have about the same level of attrition as past years due to some of the smaller size kids no longer enjoying the sport.

    Really wonder what high school numbers will look like in 3-5 years?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLame View Post
    more apt to get a concussion in youth soccer than football. I'd say it is more of not wanting sons to play for crazy adults who take the shtuff to frickin seriously.
    I'm going to call BS on your conclusion:

    Concussion Statistics for High School Sports | MomsTeam


    • For children seen in the ED and discharged, the sports most commonly associated with TBI were:
      • Football (29.1%);
      • Soccer (16.5%); and
      • Basketball (15.4%)



    • For admitted patients, the most common sports were:
      • Football (24.7%)
      • Skateboarding/roller blading (16.1%); and
      • Baseball/softball (12.9%).




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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    I'm going to call BS on your conclusion:

    Concussion Statistics for High School Sports | MomsTeam


    • For children seen in the ED and discharged, the sports most commonly associated with TBI were:
      • Football (29.1%);
      • Soccer (16.5%); and
      • Basketball (15.4%)



    • For admitted patients, the most common sports were:
      • Football (24.7%)
      • Skateboarding/roller blading (16.1%); and
      • Baseball/softball (12.9%).


    I believe he meant youth football which would be younger than high school and middle school. But I think he is wrong to think that even subconcussive contact of youths could lead to problems in the future. Soccer you don't get very many subconcussive hits, where football it probably happens every play, at least every series.


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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    I wonder how much of it also has to do with the increasing trend towards specialization and also kids taking sports super seriously at a younger and younger age. If you aren't a naturally talented athlete your parents might point you elsewhere.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by boone7247 View Post
    I believe he meant youth football which would be younger than high school and middle school. But I think he is wrong to think that even subconcussive contact of youths could lead to problems in the future. Soccer you don't get very many subconcussive hits, where football it probably happens every play, at least every series.
    Splitting hairs a bit but the particular study looked at ER visits for children 0-19.

    And your comment regarding subconcussive hits is well put. I believe researchers at Purdue established subconcussive hits alone can cause lower cognitive skills for football players during the FB season.


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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Football is dangerous, that's the bottom line. All sports have a certain level of risk but contact sports more than others obviously. You can call it wussification or whatever, but it's just people making different, maybe better, decisions based on the information they have.

    We're just starting to scratch the surface of understanding the long term effects of football on adults, who knows what the consequences are for kids.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by boone7247 View Post
    Pop Warner youth football participation drops; NFL concussion crisis seen as causal factor - ESPN

    I am of the feeling that while I don't think football will die, I do believe the US will see a shift what sports are most important. If less kids play, I think that is the start of that trend. Just my opinion.
    It effected my family. I have pushed other sports on my kids even though my family has played college football for 4 generations. When you know all the facts on impact to your brain it is hard when it comes.to your kids.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by cstrunk View Post
    It's just a continuation of the wussification of America.
    I agree on a lot of fronts in this regard but not on this one. It isn't just concussions the scarring on brain tissue from repeated small subcocussive hits decreases brain function significantly especially when you get older causing all sorts of problems. Call it what you want. I am all about winners and losers, keeping score etc. and if my kids want to play I am not going to stop them but I am not going to push it on them. If it was their knees, arms shoulders I wouldn't care (my left thumb and shoulder cause me all sorts of problems today but wouldn't change a thing) but brains are another story entirely.


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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    I'm going to call BS on your conclusion:

    Concussion Statistics for High School Sports | MomsTeam


    • For children seen in the ED and discharged, the sports most commonly associated with TBI were:
      • Football (29.1%);
      • Soccer (16.5%); and
      • Basketball (15.4%)



    • For admitted patients, the most common sports were:
      • Football (24.7%)
      • Skateboarding/roller blading (16.1%); and
      • Baseball/softball (12.9%).


    Thats just concussions too. Not accounting for the damage of repeated slight trauma.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by boone7247 View Post
    I believe he meant youth football which would be younger than high school and middle school. But I think he is wrong to think that even subconcussive contact of youths could lead to problems in the future. Soccer you don't get very many subconcussive hits, where football it probably happens every play, at least every series.
    Also youth soccer is much more common than pop warner.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    I'm going to call BS on your conclusion:

    Concussion Statistics for High School Sports | MomsTeam


    • For children seen in the ED and discharged, the sports most commonly associated with TBI were:
      • Football (29.1%);
      • Soccer (16.5%); and
      • Basketball (15.4%)



    • For admitted patients, the most common sports were:
      • Football (24.7%)
      • Skateboarding/roller blading (16.1%); and
      • Baseball/softball (12.9%).


    Interesting, but you would need to know the total number of participants in high school football, soccer, basketball and baseball/softball before you could tell how valuable these stats really are. Many smaller schools do not field soccer teams, especially in the midwest, so I am guessing that the other sports still have more total participants.



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    Re: Youth Football Participation Drops (Pop Warner)

    Quote Originally Posted by royhobbs09 View Post
    Interesting, but you would need to know the total number of participants in high school football, soccer, basketball and baseball/softball before you could tell how valuable these stats really are. Many smaller schools do not field soccer teams, especially in the midwest, so I am guessing that the other sports still have more total participants.
    Guess I should have read on. This seems to encapsulate the ratio:

    Concussion rates are increasing in high school sports.

    The current rates per 100,000 athletic exposures (an AE is one athlete participating in one organized high school athletic practice or competition, regardless of the amount of time played), according to the two most recent studies [8,10] are as follows:

    • Football: 64 -76.8
    • Boys' ice hockey: 54
    • Girl's soccer: 33
    • Boys' lacrosse: 40- 46.6
    • Girls' lacrosse: 31- 35
    • Boys' soccer: 19 - 19.2
    • Boys' wrestling: 22- 23.9
    • Girls' basketball: 18.6 - 21
    • Girls' softball: 16 - 16.3
    • Boys' basketball: 16 - 21.2
    • Girls' field hockey: 22 - 24.9
    • Cheerleading: 11.5 to 14
    • Girls' volleyball: 6 - 8.6
    • Boys' baseball: Between 4.6 - 5
    • Girls' gymnastics: 7
    • Girls' swim/dive: 2
    • Girls' track/field: 2
    • Boys' track/field: 2
    • Boys' swim/dive: 1






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