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    When to Add Two

    I've never really been a big part of the conference expansion threads, and I've been just fine with the 10 team conference, but heard something on ESPN College Gameday yesterday that made me feel it's finally time to add two teams.

    As they were talking about teams that could face Alabama in the NC, one of the analysts said Baylor may very well be the second best team in the nation, but if it comes down to Baylor, Florida State, and Ohio State, Baylor will not be considered because there isn't a Big 12 championship game, and FSU and OSU will have more recent, better wins to make the BCS likely pick between those two teams, and I think the majority figured it would be OSU, should all three of those teams go undefeated.

    Of the three, Baylor has the second toughest schedule (OSU has an extremely easy schedule...easier than Baylor somehow)

    I think Florida State should get the shot at the NC should the three go undefeated, but IF they eventually fall, Baylor deserves a shot at the NC so much more than OSU. But if they can't go because they didn't get a 13th win, does that make the big-shots of the Big XII try and bring in two more teams? Or do you think it won't matter, since we will be going to a playoff-system shortly?


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    Re: When to Add Two

    I think it has more to do with names than with conference prestige right now.

    Replace Baylor, Ohio State, and Florida State with Texas, Purdue, and Duke, with the performances the same. Texas would certainly be #2 regardless of how well the no-name schools are playing.

    Ohio State and Florida State are just bigger names than Baylor.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    If Baylor's undefeated, another quality win certainly isn't going to hurt their chances.

    But...as long as a majority of the equation is biased voters and not the superior multi-computer average Texas or Oklahoma would probably be better off without a Big 12 title game if they were undefeated.

    The last few weeks Baylor's schedule ramps up while FSU and Alabama's gets easy until their title games. FSU and Alabama both have games they could win with their walk ons and 3rd stringers. Idaho and Chatanooga. The SEC has added these weeks off and gimme games late in the year frequently. It's genius. FSU seems to have followed suit. The Big 12 doesn't really have the luxury playing more conference games than they do.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    When? About 10 minutes after Mizzou and ATM left.

    We should have gone after Louisville and someone else, maybe Cincinnati, right away.

    Instead we are going to wait until the league dissolves and get no one.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    Quote Originally Posted by cyhiphopp View Post
    When? About 10 minutes after Mizzou and ATM left.

    We should have gone after Louisville and someone else, maybe Cincinnati, right away.

    Instead we are going to wait until the league dissolves and get no one.
    After hearing the analysts yesterday, I slowly started to believe this. Where is this league going? WVU may replace Mizzou in the long run and TCU may have replaced Colorado (when it comes to importance/who gives a hoot) but it sure would be nice to get two more teams in this league. I feel it's just falling apart.


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    Re: When to Add Two

    Heck, we should have sweetened the deal to get Notre Dame on board like the ACC did. Sure they didn't get them all in, but they will benefit a lot more than the Big12 will.

    Big12 ADs just got greedy. They likes splitting the existing money 10 ways instead of 12. It was short sighted though because only having 10 will cost us in the future.

    Louisville with a Heisman caliber QB this year would have been awesome and really brought some more excitement to the Big12 lineup. Not to mention basketball EVERY year.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    If the Big 12 had a competent commissioner maybe we wouldn't have lost Mizzou and Texas A&M in the first place. Instead we had someone with his lips surgically attached to Texas' nuts.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    First we need to develop a game plan and an offense.....


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    Re: When to Add Two

    I'm not sure there's a good time to now.

    The time to do it has past, when ACC schools didnt have a grant of rights in place.

    I really wish we had Nebraska and Mizzou still though. Id take them both back. Both are going to realize\already have realized their mistake in leaving.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    This won't be an issue when we get to the playoff. Yeah, there might be a one loss team that doesn't get in but if you lose, I don't think you have too much room to *****. When you will, and by a lot, like Baylor, you have room to *****.


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    Re: When to Add Two

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    This won't be an issue when we get to the playoff. Yeah, there might be a one loss team that doesn't get in but if you lose, I don't think you have too much room to *****. When you will, and by a lot, like Baylor, you have room to *****.
    We need to make selections at least half by computer formula, that way an undefeated #5 team will be left out because their schedule sucks balls, not because they have a less recognized TV brand name.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    We need to make selections at least half by computer formula, that way an undefeated #5 team will be left out because their schedule sucks balls, not because they have a less recognized TV brand name.
    The computer formulas used also need to be allowed to factor in margin of victory. Maybe have a cap so once its over 20-30 differential it doesnt matter any more (because at a certain point in a dominating game a team could just name the score, whether it be 30 or 50), but a team should be affected positively if they blow out a team, and negatively if they struggle with a bad team.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    We add two when our TV partners tell us to.

    I don't know what part of that isn't clear.


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    Re: When to Add Two

    I just want 4 non conference games again.



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    Re: When to Add Two

    It never seemed to be a big deal when Ohio St and USC didn't have a champ game. If it were OU or Texas it wouldn't be a big deal. It is because it is Baylor and Baylor doesn't bring eyeballs to ESPN like other schools do. ESPN has to try to get the schools they want in the BCS title game.


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