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    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    I agree 100% with point #2. I mean look at Georgia and their rash of injuries, if they can't over come the injury bug with the stud talent they get how is ISU supposed to. Georgia is able to recruit guys who are ready to come in and play immediately and ISU isn't, so when ISU is forced to use offensive lineman that aren't physically ready to play yet you get what happened this season. People will say it is an excuse but it is reality.
    This is not a good comparison. Georgia is also playing some superior talent that they could easily struggle against even if they were healthy. The Big 12 doesn't have that type of superior talent this year. BU is probably the only Big 12 team that could play with an injured Georgia team right now. That's what's frustrating for me. TCU is bad, UT is playing better but they're not great, TT is who we thought they were, OSU has had offensive and defensive issues, WVU has used both QB's trying to find consistency and can't play defense, KSU is below average, KU simply sucks, and OU is not good. The injuries are bad and I don't wish that on any kid or program. So, let's call it what it is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballinTexas View Post
    This is not a good comparison. Georgia is also playing some superior talent that they could easily struggle against even if they were healthy. The Big 12 doesn't have that type of superior talent this year. BU is probably the only Big 12 team that could play with an injured Georgia team right now. That's what's frustrating for me. TCU is bad, UT is playing better but they're not great, TT is who we thought they were, OSU has had offensive and defensive issues, WVU has used both QB's trying to find consistency and can't play defense, KSU is below average, KU simply sucks, and OU is not good. The injuries are bad and I don't wish that on any kid or program. So, let's call it what it is.
    We will agree to disagree. Georgia was picked by many to win the SEC East, some to win the SEC and even some others to play for the NC.

    But my point is if a perenial power like Georgia who reutinely pulls in top talent that is ready to play as freshman has issues overcoming injuries how can you expect ISU who normally doesn't even sniff that type of talent to overcome it. We are playing guys who NEED to be in our weight room for a couple years before they are physically ready but are being forced to play them now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    I've never had the same certainty about this statement - who says that if Rhoads had had, say, a couple of 10-2, 9-3 seasons he wouldn't have accepted a tempting offer from another school?
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    I struggle to see 4 wins next season. I think we could get beat by a 1AA opponent again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Londo View Post
    Just posted this in the Brackens thread....
    I am not ripping just on negative posters because there have been quite a few problems but people who are starting the "we need to fire everybody" threads need a serious reality check.
    1. Rhoads is here, he will NOT be going anywhere for at least the next two seasons and it would take two more seasons like this for him to be canned. He is a solid coach and may be the best who would want to be here long term, so calling for his head isn't helping anyone.
    2. Its been talked into the ground, but if you really believe that injuries and inexperience dont have anything to do with our struggles and this team has minimal talent, I question how much you really know about football. I know play calling is an issue too but there have been sent real flashes of talent from this group.
    3. Back to play calling, Messingham isn't the answer for OC, he has helped us nail some recruits and I would like to bring him back as a position coach if he would accept a demotion but we need someone who can maximize the use of our weapons and put our playmakers in position to use the strengths in their game and be able to use momentum to put teams away when we have the chance. We have been right there in multiple games this year but we HAVE to capitalize when teams give us the chance.

    I know a lot of you guys are hurting right now, hell, we are fanatics we ought to be, but I love this team and wouldn't trade it for another. I'm not here to say that this team will get x amount of wins in x years but it WILL be better in the next few years and I feel bad but understand if some posters choose not to reinvest in what CPR is building and miss out on seeing their success. Thanks for taking the time to read, better days are coming... *drop mic*
    Good post, and a voice of reason among the childish rants on here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    We will agree to disagree. Georgia was picked by many to win the SEC East, some to win the SEC and even some others to play for the NC.

    But my point is if a perenial power like Georgia who reutinely pulls in top talent that is ready to play as freshman has issues overcoming injuries how can you expect ISU who normally doesn't even sniff that type of talent to overcome it. We are playing guys who NEED to be in our weight room for a couple years before they are physically ready but are being forced to play them now.

    Georgia is also 4-2 in the SEC with losses to the #8 and #9 teams in the BCS.

    Here is the Big 12 Preseason rankings. Look at where BU was picked. None of the teams above them have had major losses to injury. However, all of them are still struggling to consistently win games. Technically, we can say that outside of KU, we are where we were picked to be as far as poll placement is concerned.

    Big 12 preseason power rankings - Big 12 Blog - ESPN


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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballinTexas View Post
    Georgia is also 4-2 in the SEC with losses to the #8 and #9 teams in the BCS.

    Here is the Big 12 Preseason rankings. Look at where BU was picked. None of the teams above them have had major losses to injury. However, all of them are still struggling to consistently win games. Technically, we can say that outside of KU, we are where we were picked to be as far as poll placement is concerned.

    Big 12 preseason power rankings - Big 12 Blog - ESPN
    Well I wasn't talking about the other Big 12 teams I was talking about ISU. But since you mention other Big 12 teams look at who was predicted #2 on that list and tell me they haven't lost alot this year (injuries and other issues) which would correlate to their poor performance thus far.



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    Quote Originally Posted by isufbcurt View Post
    Well I wasn't talking about the other Big 12 teams I was talking about ISU. But since you mention other Big 12 teams look at who was predicted #2 on that list and tell me they haven't lost alot this year (injuries and other issues) which would correlate to their poor performance thus far.
    Paschall was playing bad before his injury (9/16 for 75 yards in the opener and 8/16 for 100 prior to his injury against SEL). Field was going to miss the first two games anyway before hot got injured.

    Out of those predicted top teams UT has the most major loses. However, they're on track for a better record than last year.


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    Some of you sound like you are rooting for Paul to fail. You are probably of the same ilk that would have canned Earl Bruce before his 8-3 seasons or Dan McCarney before his 9-3 season. We hear ya, you've got all the answers.

    Gary Pinkel has a saying, "winning is hard". He would know because he's done plenty of losing. Good thing Mizzu didn't listen to guys like you!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Splendid View Post
    Some of you sound like you are rooting for Paul to fail. You are probably of the same ilk that would have canned Earl Bruce before his 8-3 seasons or Dan McCarney before his 9-3 season. We hear ya, you've got all the answers.

    Gary Pinkel has a saying, "winning is hard". He would know because he's done plenty of losing. Good thing Mizzu didn't listen to guys like you!
    I would trade my soul to have CPR have this record. Don't see any 1 win seasons in there...
    001 Missouri 4–7 3–5 T–4th (North)
    2002 Missouri 5–7 2–6 5th (North)
    2003 Missouri 8–5 4–4 3rd (North) L Independence
    2004 Missouri 5–6 3–5 T–3rd (North)
    2005 Missouri 7–5 4–4 T–2nd (North) W Independence
    2006 Missouri 8–5 4–4 T–2nd (North) L Sun
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    2008 Missouri 10–4 5–3 T–1st (North) W Alamo 16 19
    2009 Missouri 8–5 4–4 T–2nd (North) L Texas
    2010 Missouri 10–3 6–2 T–1st (North) L Insight 18 18
    2011 Missouri 8–5[7] 5–4 5th W Independence


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    Quote Originally Posted by Splendid View Post
    Some of you sound like you are rooting for Paul to fail. You are probably of the same ilk that would have canned Earl Bruce before his 8-3 seasons or Dan McCarney before his 9-3 season. We hear ya, you've got all the answers.

    Gary Pinkel has a saying, "winning is hard". He would know because he's done plenty of losing. Good thing Mizzu didn't listen to guys like you!
    ...and the same that said Hoiberg was doomed to fail after rough starts in 2011, 2012 and after Texas Tech last year. Rinse and repeat.

    Just remember, they're not negative or bandwagon fans, they're just realistic​.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmer View Post
    I would trade my soul to have CPR have this record. Don't see any 1 win seasons in there...
    001 Missouri 4–7 3–5 T–4th (North)
    2002 Missouri 5–7 2–6 5th (North)
    2003 Missouri 8–5 4–4 3rd (North) L Independence
    2004 Missouri 5–6 3–5 T–3rd (North)
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    2006 Missouri 8–5 4–4 T–2nd (North) L Sun
    2007 Missouri 12–2 7–1 T–1st (North) W Cotton 5 4
    2008 Missouri 10–4 5–3 T–1st (North) W Alamo 16 19
    2009 Missouri 8–5 4–4 T–2nd (North) L Texas
    2010 Missouri 10–3 6–2 T–1st (North) L Insight 18 18
    2011 Missouri 8–5[7] 5–4 5th W Independence
    So you would prefer that after 5 seasons under Rhoads, we only have 2 bowl appearances rather than 3? I'm starting to understand why you're so mad now. You wish that Rhoads had failed more in his time here rather than improve the program from where it had been.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBHMagic View Post
    ...and the same that said Hoiberg was doomed to fail after rough starts in 2011, 2012 and after Texas Tech last year. Rinse and repeat.

    Just remember, they're not negative or bandwagon fans, they're just realistic​.
    LOL! Completely uncomparable. Nobody was calling for Hoiberg's head after a couple bad losses he had in year 2. Also I am not going to question the direction of Hoiberg unless he goes 6-24 next year which wont happen and would be equal to this football season.



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    LOL! Completely uncomparable. Nobody was calling for Hoiberg's head after a couple bad losses he had in year 2. Also I am not going to question the direction of Hoiberg unless he goes 6-24 next year which wont happen and would be equal to this football season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBHMagic View Post
    So you would prefer that after 5 seasons under Rhoads, we only have 2 bowl appearances rather than 3? I'm starting to understand why you're so mad now. You wish that Rhoads had failed more in his time here rather than improve the program from where it had been.
    I would prefer to be building toward something....not the current state. It will take significant changes on the offensive staff to stem the tide. There is clear staff issues that should not be there on a program on the "rise".

    I hope I am wrong.


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