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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    I know how you meant this but it just made me chuckle.
    Ha. Reminds me of the classic mitch hedburg joke.
    Someone showed me a picture and said "this is me when i was younger".
    Man, every picture of you is when youre younger.
    What if someone said, "this is a picture of me when im older."
    Hey, where did you get that camera man?!



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    You can have 5 of the best lineman in the country but if you dont have a quarterback, you cant score points. No longer can we blame the offense on inadequate receivers or tight ends, or running backs. This is the first year in a long time Iowa State receivers have ran wild in the secondary, but have repeated been over-thrown, under-thrown or thrown behind of, even an 8 yard pass last Saturday was thrown for 6 yards. The last two games the quarterbacks have had adequate time to throw and there were holes for the running backs to run through but we cant keep the defense honest because no one is afraid of our quarterbacks.
    You are clueless.


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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    UNI was an anomaly. It shouldn't have happened and there is no logical explanation for it. I'd spend more time worrying about the last 3 or 4 games than the UNI game.


    The line getting their *** kicked has been a weekly occurrence this year, UNI was not an anomaly, it was a preview.


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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyballz View Post
    The line getting their *** kicked has been a weekly occurrence this year, UNI was not an anomaly, it was a preview.
    Yes, but the line has been better recently. Look at the sack totals for each game if you don't believe me. Also, all of our opponents with the exception of maybe Tulsa have been far superior to UNI. The UNI game was bad, but it was way worse than a lot of our games this year. That's why it deserves to be called an anomaly and generally be ignored when talking about this team.



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    Yes, but the line has been better recently. Look at the sack totals for each game if you don't believe me. Also, all of our opponents with the exception of maybe Tulsa have been far superior to UNI. The UNI game was bad, but it was way worse than a lot of our games this year. That's why it deserves to be called an anomaly and generally be ignored when talking about this team.
    Disagree.


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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    You can have 5 of the best lineman in the country but if you dont have a quarterback, you cant score points. No longer can we blame the offense on inadequate receivers or tight ends, or running backs. This is the first year in a long time Iowa State receivers have ran wild in the secondary, but have repeated been over-thrown, under-thrown or thrown behind of, even an 8 yard pass last Saturday was thrown for 6 yards. The last two games the quarterbacks have had adequate time to throw and there were holes for the running backs to run through but we cant keep the defense honest because no one is afraid of our quarterbacks.
    So what you are saying is that the ISU QBs are not very good or well coached. Who exactly is the coach that recruits and coaches the QBs......



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    You are clueless.
    Iowa? I put them up there with one the best offensive lines in the country and they are 5-4. Why? they dont have a quarterback.



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    Iowa? I put them up there with one the best offensive lines in the country and they are 5-4. Why? they dont have a quarterback.
    They are 5-4 because they have Greg Davis. Vandenberg wasn't the problem and Rudock isn't the problem.


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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    You can have 5 of the best lineman in the country but if you dont have a quarterback, you cant score points. No longer can we blame the offense on inadequate receivers or tight ends, or running backs. This is the first year in a long time Iowa State receivers have ran wild in the secondary, but have repeated been over-thrown, under-thrown or thrown behind of, even an 8 yard pass last Saturday was thrown for 6 yards. The last two games the quarterbacks have had adequate time to throw and there were holes for the running backs to run through but we cant keep the defense honest because no one is afraid of our quarterbacks.
    I'd agree there is a talent upgrade, but I think this is a bit of a reach. Most plays receivers aren't getting separation, are getting defeated at the LOS and aren't catching anything that's not an absolute routine catch, save a couple buy West and Bundrage. The WRs play very well at times and show some great potential, but more often than not I don't think they're getting any separation.



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    Iowa? I put them up there with one the best offensive lines in the country and they are 5-4. Why? they dont have a quarterback.
    I don't think Iowa has one of the best OLs in the country, first of all. But yes it is good. Rudock is solid. Iowa's offensive problems are 1. They have an OC that was mediocre with superior talent at Texas 2. Their WRs that can catch have no explosiveness and their WRs that are explosive can't catch. 3. Weisman is a good RB but he's not going to bust a 50 yarder, meaning they have to string together a pretty flawless 12 play drive to score, which is tough for any team to do.

    Their problem this year is lack of explosiveness at the skill positions, not the QB.



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by InAWord View Post
    Age and experience are certainly important, but coaching and improving the current players is where I am concerned we don't do a good job.
    Quote Originally Posted by drednot57 View Post
    This. We just have to wait and see for any improvement next year.
    I can tell you the improvement will not be there next year without changes to the offensive staff. How do I know this? For the most part this offensive staff has been here since the Rhoads era began and virtually no offensive player has improved from one year to the next.

    Sorry if I disappointed anyone.
    Remember in 2011 we had 3 NFL OL in Hicks, Bykowski (yes he was playing) and Osemele. (a 4th if you count a freshman in Farniok) The offense was garbage for the most part. You should be putting up a ton of points with that OL but guess what, it did not happen.

    I have zero faith in the offensive staff.



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by twojman View Post
    I can tell you the improvement will not be there next year without changes to the offensive staff. How do I know this? For the most part this offensive staff has been here since the Rhoads era began and virtually no offensive player has improved from one year to the next.

    Sorry if I disappointed anyone.
    Remember in 2011 we had 3 NFL OL in Hicks, Bykowski (yes he was playing) and Osemele. (a 4th if you count a freshman in Farniok) The offense was garbage for the most part. You should be putting up a ton of points with that OL but guess what, it did not happen.

    I have zero faith in the offensive staff.
    Can we define NFL OL, because nothing personal, but one of them is on an active roster and I think the other two are on practice squads. Also, that team could run the football much better than this one and its, at worst, second best receiver is getting passed by all the younger guys, indicating a dramatic increase in talent at that position.


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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by InAWord View Post
    Age and experience are certainly important, but coaching and improving the current players is where I am concerned we don't do a good job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Can we define NFL OL, because nothing personal, but one of them is on an active roster and I think the other two are on practice squads. Also, that team could run the football much better than this one and its, at worst, second best receiver is getting passed by all the younger guys, indicating a dramatic increase in talent at that position.
    Increase in talent yes...improvement by players, nope. I do not blame the players for that, it is entirely on the coaching staff. No development. ( I am referring to the offense)



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    Re: Quantifying the Age of our Offensive Line

    Quote Originally Posted by twojman View Post
    Increase in talent yes...improvement by players, nope. I do not blame the players for that, it is entirely on the coaching staff. No development. ( I am referring to the offense)
    Yeah, I guess that Bundrage hasn't improved.

    That KO and Hayworth Hicks didn't improve.

    That Farniok hasn't improved.

    That Lalk and Dagel haven't improved.

    Of course, the fact that upperclassmen like Jarvis West, Ernst Brun, Ethan Tuftee and Kyle Lichtenberg have all been injured makes it easy to blame the staff for them "not improving"...

    Genius. Sheer genius.

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