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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    In typical ISU fashion, it will be one of 2 scenarios,
    a.) Messingham will still be the OC in Ames.
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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Wouldn't mind hiring inside the Big 12; someone who knows what it takes to have an effective offense in this conference. Hell, bring in K-State's OC, that would be GREAT!



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    ISU had a good OC and let him get away. Unfortunately if you fire a coordinator after a couple years there isn't going to be a long list of guys wanting to step into a situation that unstable. A prerequisite for any coach with a respectable résumé would be complete autonomy to run the offense his way with his quarterback and I'm not sure Rhoads is willing to relinquish that much control.

    I don't see ISU doing much better than Messingham and maybe with a healthier team next year he can get results.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Three names- all have holes in the resume but all have succeeded in tough environments too. Each can also recruit. Canales could succeed Mac- Brookhart was the golden boy of football 10 years ago and if he came- Sturdy can go to QB coach. We could do worse- we are doing worse


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    To replace our DB coach (who is doing awful) This guy will cost us some $$$$
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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    I'd like to see us go with a triple-option offense. We'll have the talent at the skill positions in the coming seasons to make it work, assuming we can find another Woody type for the fullback. This offense doesn't require a QB with exceptional skill to make it work, just someone heady enough to go through the reads and pick up the easy yards if need be. It doesn't require a particularly dominating offensive line either.We can't run the same types of flashy spread offenses that OU/OSU/Texas run. It's tough to beat them at their own game, when they get 5 star recruits, and we get 3 star guys. An option offense would give us our own unique niche that many of the coaches haven't faced before. Defenses will have only a week to prepare for a scheme we spend a whole season perfecting. In short, the beauty of the triple option comes in the scheme, and not the athletes. That's exactly what a team in a non-pipeline state like us needs.The difficult part will be finding someone who's skilled enough in the offense to run it effectively, without much oversight from the head coach. Coach Rhoads will also have to let go control of the offense, and totally trust someone from the outside, which I don't know if he'd want to do.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by PickSix View Post
    I'd like to see us go with a triple-option offense. We'll have the talent at the skill positions in the coming seasons to make it work, assuming we can find another Woody type for the fullback. This offense doesn't require a QB with exceptional skill to make it work, just someone heady enough to go through the reads and pick up the easy yards if need be. It doesn't require a particularly dominating offensive line either.We can't run the same types of flashy spread offenses that OU/OSU/Texas run. It's tough to beat them at their own game, when they get 5 star recruits, and we get 3 star guys. An option offense would give us our own unique niche that many of the coaches haven't faced before. Defenses will have only a week to prepare for a scheme we spend a whole season perfecting. In short, the beauty of the triple option comes in the scheme, and not the athletes. That's exactly what a team in a non-pipeline state like us needs.The difficult part will be finding someone who's skilled enough in the offense to run it effectively, without much oversight from the head coach. Coach Rhoads will also have to let go control of the offense, and totally trust someone from the outside, which I don't know if he'd want to do.

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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmclone View Post
    Someone boring that believes it all starts with the line. We are never going to outgun teams like TT, Baylor, etc. Our best hope is to play like KSU.
    Or like Kansas 4 or 5 years ago. They weren't the most talented squad, but they were well coached and had good play calling.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mowilly View Post
    Three names- all have holes in the resume but all have succeeded in tough environments too. Each can also recruit. Canales could succeed Mac- Brookhart was the golden boy of football 10 years ago and if he came- Sturdy can go to QB coach. We could do worse- we are doing worse


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    To replace our DB coach (who is doing awful) This guy will cost us some $$$$
    The Official Website of Eastern Michigan Athletics - 2013 Football Coaching Staff
    LOL. Our DBs coach is awful? Ok, whatever that's a fine opinion but then you think you are going to hire Ron English who is a head coach and previously successful DC to come in and replace him? Then you have a figurehead in Koenig as the answer to OC? Brookhardt doesn't want to coach anymore. Canales may be okay but he probably doesn't have the chops for the Big 12.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by PickSix View Post
    I'd like to see us go with a triple-option offense. We'll have the talent at the skill positions in the coming seasons to make it work, assuming we can find another Woody type for the fullback. This offense doesn't require a QB with exceptional skill to make it work, just someone heady enough to go through the reads and pick up the easy yards if need be. It doesn't require a particularly dominating offensive line either.We can't run the same types of flashy spread offenses that OU/OSU/Texas run. It's tough to beat them at their own game, when they get 5 star recruits, and we get 3 star guys. An option offense would give us our own unique niche that many of the coaches haven't faced before. Defenses will have only a week to prepare for a scheme we spend a whole season perfecting. In short, the beauty of the triple option comes in the scheme, and not the athletes. That's exactly what a team in a non-pipeline state like us needs.The difficult part will be finding someone who's skilled enough in the offense to run it effectively, without much oversight from the head coach. Coach Rhoads will also have to let go control of the offense, and totally trust someone from the outside, which I don't know if he'd want to do.
    Triple option offenses exist in places where the program cannot develop adequate size along the Oline. It's a gimmick to offset the size disadvantage they have. Yeah, it sometimes works, but you will get beat by teams with more talent. We also don't have QBs for this outside of maybe Lanning. It's a ridiculous suggestion.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by PickSix View Post
    I'd like to see us go with a triple-option offense. We'll have the talent at the skill positions in the coming seasons to make it work, assuming we can find another Woody type for the fullback. This offense doesn't require a QB with exceptional skill to make it work, just someone heady enough to go through the reads and pick up the easy yards if need be. It doesn't require a particularly dominating offensive line either.We can't run the same types of flashy spread offenses that OU/OSU/Texas run. It's tough to beat them at their own game, when they get 5 star recruits, and we get 3 star guys. An option offense would give us our own unique niche that many of the coaches haven't faced before. Defenses will have only a week to prepare for a scheme we spend a whole season perfecting. In short, the beauty of the triple option comes in the scheme, and not the athletes. That's exactly what a team in a non-pipeline state like us needs.The difficult part will be finding someone who's skilled enough in the offense to run it effectively, without much oversight from the head coach. Coach Rhoads will also have to let go control of the offense, and totally trust someone from the outside, which I don't know if he'd want to do.

    Pretty sure that Miami proved teams with speed will destroy the triple-option.
    Big 12 teams try to build on speed.
    We'd probably be better off taking a knee.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mowilly View Post
    Three names- all have holes in the resume but all have succeeded in tough environments too. Each can also recruit. Canales could succeed Mac- Brookhart was the golden boy of football 10 years ago and if he came- Sturdy can go to QB coach. We could do worse- we are doing worse
    I don't think English lasts another season after his Eagles go 1-11 or 2-10. So he may be looking for a job anyway.

    I mentioned Canales in a thread about Coach Mac the other day. I would suspect he'll be taking over at UNT as well, but maybe not. I'm not familiar with his recruiting abilities but he's coached some successful QB's in the past. And I think we could use all the connections in Texas that we could get.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mowilly View Post
    Three names- all have holes in the resume but all have succeeded in tough environments too. Each can also recruit. Canales could succeed Mac- Brookhart was the golden boy of football 10 years ago and if he came- Sturdy can go to QB coach. We could do worse- we are doing worse


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    To replace our DB coach (who is doing awful) This guy will cost us some $$$$
    The Official Website of Eastern Michigan Athletics - 2013 Football Coaching Staff
    I don't know where you are getting that from.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Guessing you did not like those- that's cool- just thoughts I threw out there. I agree w. your ideas for offense- fast, spread, attack and score. Also agree CPR needs to let go- so to speak. If you think this secondary is good- you know nothing about football and I am guessing you must know something. Awful, awful play from a unit most felt was possibly our strongest. Poor technique and regression. English is just a dream-agreed. Too good to come here for sure. I noticed you have yet to make any suggestions- just criticism of others opinion. Any suggestion of possible candidates or are you going to keep this current passive-aggressive trend going?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    LOL. Our DBs coach is awful? Ok, whatever that's a fine opinion but then you think you are going to hire Ron English who is a head coach and previously successful DC to come in and replace him? Then you have a figurehead in Koenig as the answer to OC? Brookhardt doesn't want to coach anymore. Canales may be okay but he probably doesn't have the chops for the Big 12.



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