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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Preferably someone in the Leach coaching tree who knows how to run a fairly balanced spread offense.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    Preferably someone in the Leach coaching tree who knows how to run a fairly balanced spread offense.
    That's why I want Mumme. He created the offense with Leach as his assistant.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dopey View Post
    Does it matter? We've had 4 different OC's in recent memory and we've ran the same hurry-up look at the side line zone read bull **** with every one.

    It must be some unwritten rule of what offensive system to run at Iowa State somewhere.
    How do you propose we get plays in.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    Preferably someone in the Leach coaching tree who knows how to run a fairly balanced spread offense.
    Quote Originally Posted by GMackey32 View Post
    That's why I want Mumme. He created the offense with Leach as his assistant.
    At Iowa Wesleyan 89-91 Mumme and Leach created the Air Raid. Leach then followed Mumme to Valdosta St and Kentucky.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Loney?



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by GMackey32 View Post
    That's why I want Mumme. He created the offense with Leach as his assistant.
    Mumme would be cool, but I don't think it will happen since Rhoads still seems set on being a run first offense. I'd personally like a younger guy who can coach QB's well and also game plan well. I won't complain though as long as the guy is proven at the FBS level.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by CYcoFan View Post
    My first choice would be go to SMU OC Hal Mumme the innovator of the Air Raid and give him what he wants. Would he leave SMU as OC to become our OC? If Sage could be a QB coach and learn under Mumme that would be fantastic.

    Mike Mangino would be an option. Would he leave a head coaching job at Youngstown State?

    Who else would be on your wish list and is it likely that we could pull them in?

    I think I would also be fine with Chuck Long as OC, but I don't know how that would sit with some Cyclone Fans.
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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    How do you propose we get plays in.

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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    I don't know candidates and I'm a total novice, but I wonder if we'd be better off with someone who can 'own' the offense...CPR can fire the person, but other than that, the OC has control of the offense, including recruiting, scheme, playcalling. Under CPR, we've struggled on offense with an OC who now seems to be pretty successful at tOSU, and his replacement who seems to be falling farther behind every year. Read a little about this Mumme fella, I think he could own the offense. The Mangina...I don't know...he is a wizard, but I don't think his style would fit with CPR.

    Maybe you make it an 'associate head coach/OC' position...speaking of which...what's with Bleil...he's still listed as assistant head coach and tight ends coach.

    Hey, just my 2c.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    I would like to see a guy that isn't afraid to have more than 3 formations, willing to put the QB under center and use a FB in short yardage situation. Motion plays that actual give the ball to the motion guy once in a while, or at least snap the ball in time to make a realist fake. There is nothing inherently wrong with the current offense, it is just something that needs to have more wrinkles, more motion, more things for the defense to think about. Currently the defenses know to player better than the offense.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00clone View Post
    I don't know candidates and I'm a total novice, but I wonder if we'd be better off with someone who can 'own' the offense...CPR can fire the person, but other than that, the OC has control of the offense, including recruiting, scheme, playcalling. Under CPR, we've struggled on offense with an OC who now seems to be pretty successful at tOSU, and his replacement who seems to be falling farther behind every year. Read a little about this Mumme fella, I think he could own the offense. The Mangina...I don't know...he is a wizard, but I don't think his style would fit with CPR.

    Hey, just my 2c.
    If Rhoad's style doesn't fit with a great coordinator, he's going to have to get over it. He has had two shots at this. I think herman would be significantly better but he wasn't when he was here and Mess is awful without even having to create his own offense. Rhoads needs to go find a guy to score points. It shouldn't matter how he does it or who scores. You allow him to hire his own supporting staff and give him free reign with no meddling. That's how the offense needs to run when the HC is defensive minded.


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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    I would like to see a guy that isn't afraid to have more than 3 formations, willing to put the QB under center and use a FB in short yardage situation. Motion plays that actual give the ball to the motion guy once in a while, or at least snap the ball in time to make a realist fake. There is nothing inherently wrong with the current offense, it is just something that needs to have more wrinkles, more motion, more things for the defense to think about. Currently the defenses know to player better than the offense.
    Regardless of scheme and typical formation, this must be part of the package. Allows potential for QB keeper or fullback pound ... And, as I've said before, used often enough in non-short yardage, so it isn't predictably one of those two options.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclones500 View Post
    Regardless of scheme and typical formation, this must be part of the package. Allows potential for QB keeper or fullback pound ... And, as I've said before, used often enough in non-short yardage, so it isn't predictably one of those two options.
    Lots of spread first teams go under center from time to time, and when they do they have more plays than just a QB sneak. I'm not asking for a lot, just one formation with the QB under center and about 3 different run plays and maybe a pass play, just enough to keep the defense honest.



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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyCloned View Post
    I would like to see a guy that isn't afraid to have more than 3 formations, willing to put the QB under center and use a FB in short yardage situation. Motion plays that actual give the ball to the motion guy once in a while, or at least snap the ball in time to make a realist fake. There is nothing inherently wrong with the current offense, it is just something that needs to have more wrinkles, more motion, more things for the defense to think about. Currently the defenses know to player better than the offense.
    Scoring points would be great but a guy that can help us sustain drives so our defense isn't shattered physically by week 7 would be nice would be nice at this point.


    Rhoads out!

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    Re: If we fire Messingham what type of OC could we get?

    I'm curious--how is it that "we" fire Messingham?

    'Cause I'm pretty sure that Paul Rhoads isn't gonna do it.




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